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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    thanks.. well worth the few mins..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    I don't know if Beijing can force anything. Aside it being a travesty, I can't imagine that
    they want anything at all to look remotely like Tienanmen Square. I'm looking forward to
    the G7 and hopefully hearing some harsh comments...beginning with U.K. They are the
    ones who have to start the ball rolling which will give the green light for other countries
    to follow suit
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    Good point.... Hopefully they do step up & others follow suit calling them out........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Good point.... Hopefully they do step up & others follow suit calling them out........
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    I would imagine that the free societies of southeast Asia have more influence here than the UK. Ultimately it will take powerful alliances like the EU and five eyes to make any kind of difference.
    They've got their own fish to fry with China right now, that's true.
    H.K. is a little different. Britain was a cosignatory on how H.K. would be run for the next 50 years
    after 19997. China is jumping the gun on making some early changes that were not in their deal.
    Britain has the moral and legal responsibility to see that China does not take advantage of
    Hong Kongers and break the rules of the agreed upon handover arrangement.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Good point.... Hopefully they do step up & others follow suit calling them out........
    Much as the Chinese would love to steam in and bash heads, they also know that the international repercussions would be enormous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Much as the Chinese would love to steam in and bash heads, they also know that the international repercussions would be enormous.
    Too much instant media these days, 24/7 international news coverage, live streaming from phone cameras. It's bad enough
    as it is what they are doing. They know they are breaking the terms of the handover. I'd say that Britain and the rest of the
    nations watching have the upper hand.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    I would imagine that the free societies of southeast Asia have more influence here than the UK. Ultimately it will take powerful alliances like the EU and five eyes to make any kind of difference.
    Which five are those??

    China has zero respect for anyone elses rights or claims but their own.... IMHO they have already made threats & shown willingness to use force w/ fallacies national sovereignty claims.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Much as the Chinese would love to steam in and bash heads, they also know that the international repercussions would be enormous.
    Like what??? I don't think they are that concerned about it @ all...... In the morning there will be a bunch of lightly armed & defended Viets dead & westerners will still want to but flat screens & apple phones..........


    IMHO this is not just a blatant display of arrogance & naked aggression but also an indication of confidence of purpose & will.........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Like what??? I don't think they are that concerned about it @ all...... In the morning there will be a bunch of lightly armed & defended Viets dead & westerners will still want to but flat screens & apple phones..........


    IMHO this is not just a blatant display of arrogance & naked aggression but also an indication of confidence of purpose & will.........
    Sorry Bill but you're just plain wrong, maybe if you read this incredibly insightful Spectator article you might just get woke.

    Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’?
    BENEDICT ROGERS AND JOHNNY PATTERSON

    August 11th 2019 may go down as Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ as police officers bludgeoned and bruised protesters who had taken to the streets. A young woman was hit in the eye by a rubber bullet. A man was pinned to the ground by police, pleading for mercy as his bloodied face was pushed into the concrete. A policeman shot pepper balls at youngsters from point blank range. Another officer pushed protesters off escalators. Videos also emerged of police officers disguised as protesters making arrests. And there were reports of triad gangsters left free to roam the city, beating up unsuspecting demonstrators.

    Hong Kong’s protests started as protests about a single issue, amendments to the city’s extradition law. But ongoing protests reflect a deeper concern: the total collapse of trust in the government and the police force. Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ entrenches this deep rift. Yet still there is little sign that Hong Kong’s government, or its Chinese counterpart, is prepared to listen. As Beijing has ratcheted up its anti-protest propaganda, the response seems to be simply to hit people harder. This is a mistake that is bound to backfire. After all, neither China nor authorities in Hong Kong benefit from making an enemy of the majority of the city’s population.

    On Monday, posters went up around Hong Kong with the slogan “an eye for an eye”. This is deeply concerning and an escalation of rhetoric which it would be unwise for the Hong Kong public to pursue. But it is also an expression of the anger which has been bubbling in Hong Kong for a long time. As Beijing and the Hong Kong government condemn what has largely been a peaceful community advocating for the extension of civil political rights as ‘extremists’ or even ‘terrorists’, who Carrie Lam claim have ‘no stake in society’, they threaten to permanently alienate a generation.

    There are still opportunities to win back trust. The story of the end of the Northern Irish troubles, another context where ‘Bloody Sunday’ violence backfired, shows that even the most intractable conflicts are reparable. But this will be difficult, and it will require concerted meaningful action from both the Hong Kong government, and international allies of freedom and democracy in Hong Kong.

    The United Kingdom should work with like-minded governments to make clear that Hong Kong’s special treatment is a result of its unique political system and basic freedoms. Boris Johnson recently said that he was with the Hong Kong people “every step of the way.” The PM could show this by insisting on a human rights clause in any future UK-Hong Kong free trade agreement, and by banning the sale of rioting equipment to the Hong Kong Police Force until an independent inquiry into police brutality has taken place and there is evidence of reforms. The situation in Hong Kong has sufficiently deteriorated that an alliance of concerned governments should take action now.

    More importantly, the Hong Kong government could deescalate tensions and restore trust using three concrete steps. First, they must restore trust in the police force: this will only be possible if there is a judge-led independent inquiry into the actions of the police in the last few months. It is not enough for the police to internally investigate their actions: trust in the institution is at rock bottom, and will only be restored if there is an independent investigation.

    Second, the government must restore trust in the legal system: the public order laws that have been used to lock up scores of protesters in recent years are outdated and in urgent need of reform. In 2018, after the young political leader Edward Leung was jailed for six years on ‘rioting charges’, Paddy Ashdown described the Public Order Ordinance as ‘one of Britain’s worst legacies in Hong Kong’. He was right. It must be reformed.

    Finally, the government must restore trust in the political system. This will require the setting out of a plan for democratic reforms. Hong Kong’s leader is currently elected by an ‘Electoral Committee’ of 1,200 people made up of a disproportionately high number of property tycoons. Parliament – the ‘Legislative Council’ – overwhelmingly favours the business classes through the functional constituency system. This ensures that fifty per cent of the seats are determined by members of professional bodies. For trust to be restored, this rigged system must be reformed.

    Benedict Rogers is co-founder and chair of Hong Kong Watch and deputy chair of the Conservative party Human Rights’ Commission. Johnny Patterson is director of Hong Kong Watch

    I'm reading Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’? via the app https://app.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/...y/content.html

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    What is Russia's stance on this?? Vietnam use to be a buddy, & it won't be long before china is kicking @ their door from the pacific to the Urals.........


    China doesn't have eyes just for islands- Russian Siberia could be next on the menu
    Last edited by Bill; 08-18-2019 at 10:50 PM.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Which five are those??

    China has zero respect for anyone elses rights or claims but their own.... IMHO they have already made threats & shown willingness to use force w/ fallacies national sovereignty claims.
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    I don't see how. That was the 'deal'. (The BRITS signed it, what about 75 years (?) ago--but thinking IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN). I have no idea how effective the 'NATIVE' HONG Kong'rs can be. I doubt their chances are good but it is on every CHANNEL, every newspaper around the world. (I'll assume they are unarmed)

    I don't see how Xi can let it go on too long, might give the Chinese too many ideas. But if he uses FORCE won't the MONEY flee Hong Kong? I'd leave in a heartbeat!



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    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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    Yes, but those are not free societies of southeast Asia
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    wow! look at the umbrelas
    Amazing. And does anyone see a LOGO on any of them? That would NOT happen here.

    (No politics, just an OBSERVATION).
    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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