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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    They already have a huge naval presence in Hainan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulin_Naval_Base
    True enough and HK would be the icing on the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    America, the UK- and everybody else- sits comfortably back and watches the Izraelis slaughter unarmed Palestinian men, women and children in cold blood - and do nothing. Ziltch. Trump actually rewards them.
    What are the Palestinians protesting about ? OCCUPATION. LIBERTY. SELF-DETERMINATION.

    Anybody thinking that the West is a moral entity facing the immoral Chinese is a half-blind moron.
    This forum is saturated with hypocrites and desktop moralists . They should all understand that there is NO MORAL POSITION for the US to take as long as it supports Izraeli criminality.
    C'mon, you gutless bastards- weave and wiggle.
    Prosemitism is racist.

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    Maybe this thread is about HK.
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    Britain has its own problems with Brexit. They are not in a position to get involved. Bannon would not allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Britain has its own problems with Brexit. They are not in a position to get involved. Bannon would not allow it.
    Bozoman strikes again, where do these arseholes come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Bozoman strikes again, where do these arseholes come from?
    Bozostan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    That's true but Hong Kong is a huge financial and shipping hub, the Chinese know that perfectly well.
    You should watch that vid..........

    Off the top of my head- when China agreed to that deal, HK was like 40% of GDP, now it is like 3%....... HK has stayed about the same it is just that china has created 24 massive & rich super cities........

    While we fought a war in the graveyard of empires they were not sitting on their hands........

    Now they, not us are set to reap the benefits of over a trillion wasted there w/ nothing to show... They are the superPower now, we still need to fight wars.

    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Bozoman strikes again, where do these arseholes come from?
    So what should the UK do about it & what will the UK do about it....

    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    You should watch that vid..........

    Off the top of my head- when China agreed to that deal, HK was like 40% of GDP, now it is like 3%....... HK has stayed about the same it is just that china has created 24 massive & rich super cities........

    While we fought a war in the graveyard of empires they were not sitting on their hands........

    Now they, not us are set to reap the benefits of over a trillion wasted there w/ nothing to show... They are the superPower now, we still need to fight wars.
    good research. They will likely profit in Afghanistan as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    So what should the UK do about it & what will the UK do about it....
    Hopefully we'll hear what the UK has in mind at the G7 regarding China's deviation from the terms of the treaty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    good research. They will likely profit in Afghanistan as well
    Yes, that really irks me-a huge historical blunder. & loss of life.....

    There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.
    Sun Tzu quote

    Now China will go in & build where we only destroyed......

    I recall many of us over the years asking why no Marshall plan..

    Now looking back that would have merely made it easier on China, but would have saved lives & improved living conditions........


    Should be join the project & enjoy some of the fruits?? Or should we oppose it & for what reason??
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    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Sorry Bill but you're just plain wrong, maybe if you read this incredibly insightful Spectator article you might just get woke.

    Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’?
    BENEDICT ROGERS AND JOHNNY PATTERSON

    August 11th 2019 may go down as Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ as police officers bludgeoned and bruised protesters who had taken to the streets. A young woman was hit in the eye by a rubber bullet. A man was pinned to the ground by police, pleading for mercy as his bloodied face was pushed into the concrete. A policeman shot pepper balls at youngsters from point blank range. Another officer pushed protesters off escalators. Videos also emerged of police officers disguised as protesters making arrests. And there were reports of triad gangsters left free to roam the city, beating up unsuspecting demonstrators.

    Hong Kong’s protests started as protests about a single issue, amendments to the city’s extradition law. But ongoing protests reflect a deeper concern: the total collapse of trust in the government and the police force. Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ entrenches this deep rift. Yet still there is little sign that Hong Kong’s government, or its Chinese counterpart, is prepared to listen. As Beijing has ratcheted up its anti-protest propaganda, the response seems to be simply to hit people harder. This is a mistake that is bound to backfire. After all, neither China nor authorities in Hong Kong benefit from making an enemy of the majority of the city’s population.

    On Monday, posters went up around Hong Kong with the slogan “an eye for an eye”. This is deeply concerning and an escalation of rhetoric which it would be unwise for the Hong Kong public to pursue. But it is also an expression of the anger which has been bubbling in Hong Kong for a long time. As Beijing and the Hong Kong government condemn what has largely been a peaceful community advocating for the extension of civil political rights as ‘extremists’ or even ‘terrorists’, who Carrie Lam claim have ‘no stake in society’, they threaten to permanently alienate a generation.

    There are still opportunities to win back trust. The story of the end of the Northern Irish troubles, another context where ‘Bloody Sunday’ violence backfired, shows that even the most intractable conflicts are reparable. But this will be difficult, and it will require concerted meaningful action from both the Hong Kong government, and international allies of freedom and democracy in Hong Kong.

    The United Kingdom should work with like-minded governments to make clear that Hong Kong’s special treatment is a result of its unique political system and basic freedoms. Boris Johnson recently said that he was with the Hong Kong people “every step of the way.” The PM could show this by insisting on a human rights clause in any future UK-Hong Kong free trade agreement, and by banning the sale of rioting equipment to the Hong Kong Police Force until an independent inquiry into police brutality has taken place and there is evidence of reforms. The situation in Hong Kong has sufficiently deteriorated that an alliance of concerned governments should take action now.

    More importantly, the Hong Kong government could deescalate tensions and restore trust using three concrete steps. First, they must restore trust in the police force: this will only be possible if there is a judge-led independent inquiry into the actions of the police in the last few months. It is not enough for the police to internally investigate their actions: trust in the institution is at rock bottom, and will only be restored if there is an independent investigation.

    Second, the government must restore trust in the legal system: the public order laws that have been used to lock up scores of protesters in recent years are outdated and in urgent need of reform. In 2018, after the young political leader Edward Leung was jailed for six years on ‘rioting charges’, Paddy Ashdown described the Public Order Ordinance as ‘one of Britain’s worst legacies in Hong Kong’. He was right. It must be reformed.

    Finally, the government must restore trust in the political system. This will require the setting out of a plan for democratic reforms. Hong Kong’s leader is currently elected by an ‘Electoral Committee’ of 1,200 people made up of a disproportionately high number of property tycoons. Parliament – the ‘Legislative Council’ – overwhelmingly favours the business classes through the functional constituency system. This ensures that fifty per cent of the seats are determined by members of professional bodies. For trust to be restored, this rigged system must be reformed.

    Benedict Rogers is co-founder and chair of Hong Kong Watch and deputy chair of the Conservative party Human Rights’ Commission. Johnny Patterson is director of Hong Kong Watch

    I'm reading Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’? via the app https://app.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/...y/content.html
    Good article, & your point is what?

    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    You brain-washed assholes.
    ??Posted in the wrong thread??

    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Hopefully we'll hear what the UK has in mind at the G7 regarding China's deviation from the terms of the treaty.
    Hopefully nothing blowsUp before then........

    It is really sad that some in our country have more trust & respect for foreign adversarial leaders than our own loyal opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Good article, & your point is what?
    Seriously Bill, didn't you glean anything from the article?
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