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    Default Why We Always Need To Think Of The Collective...

    It's pretty basic logic:

    a) We are humans.

    b) Humans exist in societies. Societies serve the needs of the individuals.

    c) If a majority of humans become sociopaths; then society will fail.

    SO:

    d) Individualism must be balanced with consideration for society. Most individuals must do something for society or society will fail.

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    e) Since some are far more able to contribute, if they do contribute more, then society can do much more to enhance it's service to individuals.

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    This is all a logical progression of facts and conclusions on the assumption that we want society to improve and continue to thrive.

    And that is why we always have to think of the collective. It's the kind of guidance which, if followed by most members of society, leads to the quality of life continuing to improve in that society. Promoting the GENERAL welfare ensures domestic peace and tranquility, so that society will endure. Our Constitution wisely says so.

    Socialism is all about what is good for the society. Capitalism, while providing a lot for society, is also about what a shrewd and determined individual can do for himself. And that's wonderful in good measure. Just not always. It is only logical that these two pursuits must be balanced with one another.

    What is the correct balance between selfish concerns and social concerns? Like it or not, humans are becoming more interconnected and interdependent as time progresses. It is only natural and predictable that some will resist recognizing the collective in their own way. But emotional resistance is not logical. It's emotional.

    Logic says we need to consider the impact on society of what we do. The more people there are on this planet, the more that matters.

    There is nothing in our Constitution that says we will be a capitalist nation. Or a socialist one. Because the truth is: we don't have to choose. We can have both. We can take the best qualities of each, and minimize the downside of each. Mixing socialism with capitalism allows us to achieve the best balance between thinking of society and thinking of the individual.

    But as much as we allow ourselves to think of the individual, we must always give proper consideration for the collective.
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    Hello Howard the Duck,

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    Sounds like the opening speech of the CPUSA convention.
    Is there some part of the OP logic you dispute?

    Or is this just another emotional objection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    Sounds like the opening speech of the CPUSA convention.
    Sounds more like a collection of ants, who are expected to NOT have any individuality, and is right along the communist idea of having those who can work harder, do so for those who can't; but everyone gets the same result.
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    the natural human state is to CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE ARROUND YOU




    The UNNATURAL STATE OF HUMANS IS TO SHUN YOUR FELLOW MAN AND HIS SUFFERING.


    the sociopaths who manage to gain power over others want to disrupt that balance to gain more power and wealth


    the low brain powered of human population can be convinced to hate others for illogical reasons in their own self disinterest


    you can fool some of the people all the time


    you can fool most of the people some of the time


    BUT

    you can not fool all of the people all of the time


    sociopaths can never win in the end


    they don't understand humankind in full

    their brains have faulty wiring

    they can not understand compassion

    its beyond their capabilities


    they are broken


    so they always fail


    reach out in love of your fellow man


    Its destroys the plans of evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Sounds more like a collection of ants, who are expected to NOT have any individuality, and is right along the communist idea of having those who can work harder, do so for those who can't; but everyone gets the same result.
    remember folks all russo bot holes are not humans


    hense they say sociopathic things just like real human sociopaths


    does it matter here whether they are actually humans ?


    not really


    they are evil like this one

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    The hatred of government is hard for me to understand. That is the biggest thing society does as a group - is agree to be governed by this entity. We created our government ourselves. We could have created any kind of government we wanted. We wrote our own Constitution and we have lived by it ever since. It is our Constitution that describes what kind of government we have.

    So I don't understand the hatred of government. Makes no sense. Our government is what We, The People, did for ourselves.

    We've actually got a pretty good government. Government is managing the country, and it's a pretty great country in a lot of ways. We just couldn't have the country we do without our government. Government also happens to be the largest employer, so we have a lot of people working towards making this a great country. That's nothing to hate. That is a good thing.

    Is it perfect? Ha! Of course not. Far from perfect. The government, as with most things, is far from perfect and wide open to constructive criticism. That's reasonable.

    But to just proclaim that all government is bad so we want as little of it as possible? That's just absurd. Most of what government does benefits somebody in some way.

    Fair criticism is one thing. Hatred is another. One is reasonable and logical. The other is just emotional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Howard the Duck,



    Is there some part of the OP logic you dispute?

    Or is this just another emotional objection.
    Is their some part of the OP that is logical? You don't like individualism and capitalism, but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better. So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    Is their some part of the OP that is logical? You don't like individualism and capitalism, but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better. So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.

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    You go off track at "b".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The hatred of government is hard for me to understand. That is the biggest thing society does as a group - is agree to be governed by this entity. We created our government ourselves. We could have created any kind of government we wanted. We wrote our own Constitution and we have lived by it ever since. It is our Constitution that describes what kind of government we have.

    So I don't understand the hatred of government. Makes no sense. Our government is what We, The People, did for ourselves.

    We've actually got a pretty good government. Government is managing the country, and it's a pretty great country in a lot of ways. We just couldn't have the country we do without our government. Government also happens to be the largest employer, so we have a lot of people working towards making this a great country. That's nothing to hate. That is a good thing.

    Is it perfect? Ha! Of course not. Far from perfect. The government, as with most things, is far from perfect and wide open to constructive criticism. That's reasonable.

    But to just proclaim that all government is bad so we want as little of it as possible? That's just absurd. Most of what government does benefits somebody in some way.

    Fair criticism is one thing. Hatred is another. One is reasonable and logical. The other is just emotional.
    You would have been popular during the revolution.

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    Blow hard much ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Howard the Duck,



    Is there some part of the OP logic you dispute?

    Or is this just another emotional objection.
    As soon as I read the title, I knew the edgelord right-wing talking points were coming out.

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