Guno צְבִי (08-18-2019)
It's pretty basic logic:
a) We are humans.
b) Humans exist in societies. Societies serve the needs of the individuals.
c) If a majority of humans become sociopaths; then society will fail.
SO:
d) Individualism must be balanced with consideration for society. Most individuals must do something for society or society will fail.
And,
e) Since some are far more able to contribute, if they do contribute more, then society can do much more to enhance it's service to individuals.
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This is all a logical progression of facts and conclusions on the assumption that we want society to improve and continue to thrive.
And that is why we always have to think of the collective. It's the kind of guidance which, if followed by most members of society, leads to the quality of life continuing to improve in that society. Promoting the GENERAL welfare ensures domestic peace and tranquility, so that society will endure. Our Constitution wisely says so.
Socialism is all about what is good for the society. Capitalism, while providing a lot for society, is also about what a shrewd and determined individual can do for himself. And that's wonderful in good measure. Just not always. It is only logical that these two pursuits must be balanced with one another.
What is the correct balance between selfish concerns and social concerns? Like it or not, humans are becoming more interconnected and interdependent as time progresses. It is only natural and predictable that some will resist recognizing the collective in their own way. But emotional resistance is not logical. It's emotional.
Logic says we need to consider the impact on society of what we do. The more people there are on this planet, the more that matters.
There is nothing in our Constitution that says we will be a capitalist nation. Or a socialist one. Because the truth is: we don't have to choose. We can have both. We can take the best qualities of each, and minimize the downside of each. Mixing socialism with capitalism allows us to achieve the best balance between thinking of society and thinking of the individual.
But as much as we allow ourselves to think of the individual, we must always give proper consideration for the collective.
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Guno צְבִי (08-18-2019)
Sounds like the opening speech of the CPUSA convention.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
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evince (08-17-2019)
SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.
Truth Detector (08-19-2019)
the natural human state is to CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE ARROUND YOU
The UNNATURAL STATE OF HUMANS IS TO SHUN YOUR FELLOW MAN AND HIS SUFFERING.
the sociopaths who manage to gain power over others want to disrupt that balance to gain more power and wealth
the low brain powered of human population can be convinced to hate others for illogical reasons in their own self disinterest
you can fool some of the people all the time
you can fool most of the people some of the time
BUT
you can not fool all of the people all of the time
sociopaths can never win in the end
they don't understand humankind in full
their brains have faulty wiring
they can not understand compassion
its beyond their capabilities
they are broken
so they always fail
reach out in love of your fellow man
Its destroys the plans of evil
USFREEDOM911 (08-17-2019)
PoliTalker (08-17-2019)
USFREEDOM911 (08-17-2019)
anyone who tells you NOT to help others is evil
PERIOD
USFREEDOM911 (08-17-2019)
The hatred of government is hard for me to understand. That is the biggest thing society does as a group - is agree to be governed by this entity. We created our government ourselves. We could have created any kind of government we wanted. We wrote our own Constitution and we have lived by it ever since. It is our Constitution that describes what kind of government we have.
So I don't understand the hatred of government. Makes no sense. Our government is what We, The People, did for ourselves.
We've actually got a pretty good government. Government is managing the country, and it's a pretty great country in a lot of ways. We just couldn't have the country we do without our government. Government also happens to be the largest employer, so we have a lot of people working towards making this a great country. That's nothing to hate. That is a good thing.
Is it perfect? Ha! Of course not. Far from perfect. The government, as with most things, is far from perfect and wide open to constructive criticism. That's reasonable.
But to just proclaim that all government is bad so we want as little of it as possible? That's just absurd. Most of what government does benefits somebody in some way.
Fair criticism is one thing. Hatred is another. One is reasonable and logical. The other is just emotional.
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Is their some part of the OP that is logical? You don't like individualism and capitalism, but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better. So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
cawacko (08-17-2019), Truth Detector (08-19-2019)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
You go off track at "b".
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Truth Detector (08-19-2019)
Blow hard much ?
Truth Detector (08-19-2019)
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