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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    Newp. Distinctions w/out differences in these extreme cases, althought the Iranians are 'better' in both regards.

    Since you don't understand either word, child, and you have no clue about the politics involved, why are you trying to speak when your betters are speaking?

    Be a good little monkey and fetch us all some tea, Fatima.
    All things being equal, and we don't take Kilpatrick's argument favoring authoritarianism over totalitarianism, then, we can only judge Iran and KSA in terms of self-interest. In which case, KSA is clearly the "better."

    Too bad you know shit about political science, as you can't define any of these terms, and were dumb enough to rank Iran as better than KSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    All things being equal, and we don't take Kilpatrick's argument favoring authoritarianism over totalitarianism, then, we can only judge Iran and KSA in terms of self-interest. In which case, KSA is clearly the "better."

    Too bad you know shit about political science, as you can't define any of these terms, and were dumb enough to rank Iran as better than KSA.
    Fun to watch you desperately try and pretend you know anything about international matters.

    While you're up, get me a sammich, Fatima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Right. Individuals, governments and for-profit capitalist corporations within society supply nearly all the needs of the individuals in that society.
    Leave off government as it gives nothing that it hadnt taken first.
    Companies are just a collection of individuals trading with one another (generally time for money).
    The society is the shared interest (safety typically).
    This is the central disagreement here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Leave off government as it gives nothing that it hadnt taken first.
    Companies are just a collection of individuals trading with one another (generally time for money).
    The society is the shared interest (safety typically).
    This is the central disagreement here.
    I really don't get your point.

    Everything you described is part of interdependent society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    You just said you don't in a string of idiotic posts, so...
    Wow. That's your meth addiction talking again.

    Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I really don't get your point.

    Everything you described is part of interdependent society.
    Its not interDEPENDANT. Society sits in the perrifery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    If the GOP can bring us both individualism and fascism, then it can work some serious magic. It's like when the poster AsshatZombie tells me he is feeling menaced by the rise of international fascism.
    The GOP promises us individualism but instead gives us Fascism, the same way they promise us small government but expand the size of government.

    This should help explain things.


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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Its not interDEPENDANT. Society sits in the perrifery.
    Sounds to me like we are using very different definitions for 'society.'

    Social interactions are individuals having regular contact with one another for mutual benefit.

    Commerce is an example of a social interaction.

    People get most of their needs met from other people in society.

    That is why it is called social interdependence.

    And a very good reason why we need to think of the collective in our actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Sounds to me like we are using very different definitions for 'society.'

    Social interactions are individuals having regular contact with one another for mutual benefit.

    Commerce is an example of a social interaction.

    People get most of their needs met from other people in society.

    That is why it is called social interdependence.

    And a very good reason why we need to think of the collective in our actions.
    Commerce is not a social interaction. Its commerce.
    Not all social interactions are mutually beneficial (traffic ticket).
    You seek to conflate the two. I know better.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Commerce is not a social interaction. Its commerce.
    Oh, I get it. You think it's not a social interaction unless it's something like a party?

    "a part of the community that sets itself apart as a leisure class and that regards itself as the arbiter of fashion and manners"

    Here's the definition of 'Society' I was thinking of when I penned the OP:

    "an enduring and cooperating social group whose members have developed organized patterns of relationships through interaction with one another"

    "an interdependent system of organisms or biological units"

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Not all social interactions are mutually beneficial (traffic ticket).
    You seek to conflate the two. I know better.
    You are using a selective definition for 'society' and I am using a broader definition, that's all.

    And what does it matter?

    I recognize that humans are socially interdependent, have their needs met by being part of the collective of humans; you have this perverse idea that we are all loners and only interact when it suits us, but that is not any form of meeting anyone's needs.
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    The left frequently redefines language to support notions that are otherwise insupportable.
    "Racist" is a good example.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    The left frequently redefines language to support notions that are otherwise insupportable.
    "Racist" is a good example.
    I am using a straight up definition of 'Society,' right out of the dictionary. And besides, it is more often the right which has to rewrite the narrative, rewrite history, to fit their propaganda.
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    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
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    "the body of human beings generally, associated or viewed as members of a community: the evolution of human society."

    That's it, right there. The world is a large community of humans. Generally, all the humans on Earth are part of human society.
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