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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Leftists don't want to be the deciders for other people.
    LIE and LAME. Your green initiatives, rent control initiatives, electric care initiatives are all efforts to FORCE people into compliance with goals "decided" by the left to be altruistic and good.

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    We're pro-choice because abortion should be your choice.
    Wrong; you're pro-choice because you don't care about innocent lives and better choices than abortion.

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    We believe in LGBT rights because we want LGBT people to choose how they want to live.
    STRAWMAN; no one is preventing LGBT people from choosing how they want to live. Neither should they be dictating to others how they should live and what they should believe in.

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    We want legalized prostitution and drugs because adults should be able to decide what they want to do with their own bodies.
    This kind of dogma is naive and stupid. If we were to abide by such stupidity, society would devolve in to third world shit holeism. Which I know is the ultimate goal of leftists.

    When you have a child, you will understand this better. I can't imagine you saying that it is perfectly fine if they go out on street corners to prostitute themselves for opioids. DUMB.

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    We want freedom of and from religion because we want you to decide for yourself what you believe.
    Another incredible stupid statement. NO one is forcing you to become religious. You morons are trying to force everyone else into wiping religion out.

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    Now sure, there are some things we don't want people doing. You want to kill other people?
    Well, too bad, we won't let you do that. But we will support your right to live how you want as long as you're not harming anyone else.
    Freedom. Liberty. 'Murica.
    Another LIE and STRAWMAN. Are you capable of making an argument without lying, strawman claims and looking stupid?
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Exist and flourish ?

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    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    We'll always have government.
    Who is saying we won't? You love your strawmen don't you pebble by pebble.

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    That's one collective that will just always be there.
    You think Government is a collective? DUMB.

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    But we can keep government in check by caring about the entire society.
    WRONG: you keep Government in check by limiting it's powers and ensuring the right of the people to bear arms. You flunked High School history didn't you?

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    Fascism is achieved when people only care about themselves.
    WRONG; Fascism is achieved when low IQ citizens on the left believe in handing over more power to a centralized authority in the false believe they will be more secure and taken care of.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Or when people are manipulated into an "us vs them" mentality, like you have been.
    The only one's playing the us vs them game are you idiots on the left. "Not my President." "People who voted for Trump are morons."

    So once again, you deflect and avoided answering my question honestly: Examples of Trump's Fascism. Where are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Exist and flourish ?

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    A picture is worth a thousand words.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Of course I will not agree with the idea that commerce is not a form of social interdependence. I definitely consider commerce to be a form of social interdependence, a function of society.

    When two or more individuals coordinate on anything besides a decision to fight one another, that is a social interaction.

    People don't exist in a vacuum. People exist and flourish in society.

    People get their needs met through social interactions.

    I am amazed you are taking the position that humans do not rely on society to meet their needs.

    Toasters don't grow on trees.
    "When two or more individuals coordinate on anything besides a decision to fight one another, that is a social interaction."

    But "social interaction" does not require a "society", which has been your arguing point from the beginning.

    Two people who meet and decide to exchange products, does not make them a society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    A picture is worth a thousand words.
    This is a good example of what happens when mutual benefit is no longer present.
    Some kinda Great Society huh ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    This is a good example of what happens when mutual benefit is no longer present.
    Some kinda Great Society huh ?
    Amen bro.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Exist and flourish ?

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    7.7 Billion humans.
    are not existing as solo non-social individuals.

    Humans exist in a social form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Commerce between individuals? That's what happens in a society:

    " society

    n.
    The totality of people regarded as forming a community of interdependent individuals.
    n.
    A group of people broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture."
    Your own definitions of evidence prove you’re wrong. Free commerce all over the world does not require a “community of interdependent individuals.” Free commerce is totally available between individuals & individual nations without interdependence on a collective body, & does!

    Again, “mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture." are not required to participate in free commerce. We have trade agreements all over the world with very diversified peoples & nations, who necessarily share collectively in “NONE OF THE ABOVE.

    No, I must disagree. Commerce is only possible if there IS a society. OK? The lack of a society would be that individuals are not in contact or communication with one another. Like a bunch of lone predators. As soon as you have interactions between individuals, that is the basis of a society.
    HORSESHIT! It’s simply a basis to make a peaceful deal “INDIVIDUALLY” They don’t need to join the “FUCKING CLUB!”

    Individual humans depend on society to provide their needs.
    More horseshit! The only rational reason to even have a collective government to begin with is to collectively agree with a rule of law and establish a system whereby the rule of law is enforced with equal justice for all and protection for all citizens from those who would violate their individual rights & against threats from other nations. Otherwise, good governance, is as our founders said, “is a limited government” that leaves its people free to associate & trade & interact as they choose without interference from government.

    The individuals look to society to provide nearly all their needs. Almost anything an individual needs, it is probably coming from another individual or group in the broader society of humans.

    Societies most definitely serve the needs of the individuals.
    A free people don’t need a fucking club or government to belong too, or be ruled by to freely interact & trade or create jobs for others, or enrich themselves or support their families or care for their offspring or invent things, or establish businesses. FREE COMMERCE provides for every need & establishes the advancement of the human condition! None of that comes from a collective government! Government meddling where it has no expertise only makes things more expensive & of less quality!
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    7.7 Billion humans.
    are not existing as solo non-social individuals.

    Humans exist in a social form.
    The point i disputed was society existing to support the norm.

    To this point, people chose to submit to society for a variety of reasons. Most relate to mutual interests and convenience.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    The point i disputed was society existing to support the norm.

    To this point, people chose to submit to society for a variety of reasons.
    Yeah - because it supplies most of their needs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Most relate to mutual interests and convenience.
    Sounds as logical as the OP, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Yeah - because it supplies most of their needs!



    Sounds as logical as the OP, thank you.
    No, it does not supply anything.
    Individuals do.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    No, it does not supply anything.
    Individuals do.
    Right. Individuals, governments and for-profit capitalist corporations within society supply nearly all the needs of the individuals in that society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The GOP, with their promises of individualism, is bringing us to Fascism now.

    Often people who only care about themselves will stand around smiling while the government begins taking away rights of other people.
    If the GOP can bring us both individualism and fascism, then it can work some serious magic. It's like when the poster AsshatZombie tells me he is feeling menaced by the rise of international fascism.

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    Hello Howard the Duck,

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    If the GOP can bring us both individualism and fascism, then it can work some serious magic. It's like when the poster AsshatZombie tells me he is feeling menaced by the rise of international fascism.
    The GOP is most certainly succumbing to magical notions if they think a large group of interdependent individuals is not a society.
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