The Death of Jesus—Historical Certainties

[Cypress]

Another thread that successfully shines a spotlight on the virulent anti-Semitism found in the Trump-loving rightwing.

In my opinion, this is part and parcel of the reason Jewish Americans always have, and always will, overwhelmingly vote for and support liberal and Democratic candidates.

I am pretty sure most people - including Jews - are smart enough to realize that the Reichwing's professed "love" for Israel is actually not based on genuine solidarity and brotherhood with Jewish people.
Rightwing Christians tend to think Jews are going to burn in hell, and their "love" for Israel is completely self-serving and self-interested as it pertains to the apocalyptic end times fantasies.
Then there is the history of how Jews were treated by rightwing nationalism and militant Christianity in Europe for a millenium.

JPP.COMs conservative anti-Semitism, greatest hits>>

Trump-loving, Rightwing posters on this message board are trafficking in overt and degenerate anti-Semitism
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...31#post2687231

Self-described Nazis and white supremacists are running as Republicans across the country
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post2684884
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...15#post2683915

Jewish-Americans are among the most reliably liberal and Democratic voters in the United States
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...63#post2682763

“He's making your triggered head explode….I'm sorry, Jew boy.” – as stated by a Trump supporter to a Jewish poster
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post3184584

“Blame the God-damned Jews for the death of Jesus!” – as stated by a Trump supporter
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...48#post3174448

“Yes, the Gospels are antisemitic (a nonsense term used by anti-Christian fcktards and bigots), as is the whole Bible!” – as stated by a Trump supporter
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...93#post3187193

[Bobb]

Jews are descendents of Jacobs son Judah.

You are such a fcktard, where does the Jewish president of Israel make any claim to being a descendant of Judah? I'll make this easy for you, you ignorant piece of Satan's shit, you pick any Jew on the planet today and show me their their ancestry from Judah establishes them as a Jew. Ignorant fcktard, how about you just show me any jewish website on the vast internet that agrees with your definition that being a Jew is a matter of having Judah as an ancestor

You satanic Jesus-hating moron, do you not think people can convert to judaism? You know people can convert, yet you still think Jews are ancestors of Judah. You already have the knowledge to know you're a satanic moron.

How are you so fcking ignorant and hateful that you want to believe the spawn of Satan are God's chosen people.

[Mason Michaels]

You are such a fcktard, where does the Jewish president of Israel make any claim to being a descendant of Judah? I'll make this easy for you, you ignorant piece of Satan's shit, you pick any Jew on the planet today and show me their their ancestry from Judah establishes them as a Jew. Ignorant fcktard, how about you just show me any jewish website on the vast internet that agrees with your definition that being a Jew is a matter of having Judah as an ancestor

You satanic Jesus-hating moron, do you not think people can convert to judaism? You know people can convert, yet you still think Jews are ancestors of Judah. You already have the knowledge to know you're a satanic moron.

How are you so fcking ignorant and hateful that you want to believe the spawn of Satan are God's chosen people.

Could you possibly know less of what you're talking about!

[Bobb]

Could you possibly know less of what you're talking about!

Then tell me what I'm talking about, you pathetic fcktard who accuses me of ignorance yet you don't display one bit of knowledge.

[CharacterAssassin]

THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES.

Three books written in the first century that give the account of the crucifixion all tell of Pilate's extreme reluctance to carry out the Jew's execution of Jesus. But, Pilate eventually did it, out of the Jew's threats of riot and rebellion, and after they said they'd take the blame. Even Jewish tradition, as recorded in the Talmud, proudly credits the Jews with killing Jesus for blasphemy. The king of the Jews, Herod, found no guilt in Jesus. "When Herod saw Jesus, he was very glad, for he had long desired to see him, because he had heard about him... The chief priests and the scribes stood by, vehemently accusing him... Pilate then called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, and said to them, 'You brought me this man as one who was misleading the people. And after examining him before you, behold, I did not find this man guilty of any of your charges against him. Neither did Herod.'" (From the Gospel of Luke)

Cypress, why do you want to be such an embarrassing and pathetic liar? Come on asswipe, what historical source supports your claim that Rome wanted Jesus dead for treason? Come on, faggot, put up or shut up.

Why do you hate yourself for loving Jewish cock?

[Bobb]

Why do you hate yourself for loving Jewish cock?

Faggot, you're projecting again.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Then tell me what I'm talking about, you pathetic fcktard who accuses me of ignorance yet you don't display one bit of knowledge.

Jesus is LORD

[CharacterAssassin]

Faggot, you're projecting again.

LOL! No, you can't suck my cock. Get up off your knees and stop begging.

[CharacterAssassin]

You are such a fcktard, where does the Jewish president of Israel make any claim to being a descendant of Judah? I'll make this easy for you, you ignorant piece of Satan's shit, you pick any Jew on the planet today and show me their their ancestry from Judah establishes them as a Jew. Ignorant fcktard, how about you just show me any jewish website on the vast internet that agrees with your definition that being a Jew is a matter of having Judah as an ancestor

You satanic Jesus-hating moron, do you not think people can convert to judaism? You know people can convert, yet you still think Jews are ancestors of Judah. You already have the knowledge to know you're a satanic moron.

How are you so fcking ignorant and hateful that you want to believe the spawn of Satan are God's chosen people.

Why do you fantasize about sodomizing Jesus Christ while he's nailed up on the cross?

[Cypress]

"What is most intriguing (and enlightening) is that over time in the Christian tradition – both inside the New Testament and outside of it – Pilate becomes more and more innocent in the death of Jesus with the passing of time. You can see this clearly simply by lining up the Gospels chronologically and seeing how they portray Pilate at the trial of Jesus.

Our earliest Gospel is Mark (15:1-15). There Pilate is somewhat reluctant to do what the Jewish leaders ask him to do – crucify Jesus – and he seems a bit bewildered. After a very brief trial Pilate, does what they ask. Here Pilate is simply complying with the Jews’ wishes; he puts up some resistance, but not a whole lot"

^^^ Dr. Bart Erhman, PhD. New Testament Scholar and Professor of Religious History, University of North Carolina

The chronologically later Gospels have the "entire crowd" of Jews begging to take the blame and to have the blood of Jesus blamed on their Children.

By the time one gets the the chronologically last Gospel, the Jews are actually being called children of the Devil.

Gospel of Peter >> provides more historical evidence that as time went by, early Christian writers tried to place more and more blame on the Jews.
The non-canonical Gospel of Peter, written sometime in the early 2nd century AD actually absolves Pontius Pilate and Roman soldiers of playing any role in the torture and crucifixion of Jesus – placing the blame for the murder and torture wholly on the Jews.

The Acts of Pilates, purportedly a letter written by Pontius Pilate himself, portrays Pilate as a convert to Christianity and entirely sympathetic to Jesus. Though the letter is an obvious forgery by an early Christian writer, it is another manifest attempt by early Christian writers to demonize Jews and make them entirely accountable for the death of Jesus.

"The Roman state was suspicious of the new (Christian) cult and, if Christians wanted to avoid confrontation, it was best not to accuse one of Rome’s officials of the crucifixion of Jesus (deicide)."

https://www.historytoday.com/history...pontius-pilate

[Bobb]

Gospel of Peter >> provides more historical evidence that as time went by, early Christian writers tried to place more and more blame on the Jews.
The non-canonical Gospel of Peter, written sometime in the early 2nd century AD actually absolves Pontius Pilate and Roman soldiers of playing any role in the torture and crucifixion of Jesus – placing the blame for the murder and torture wholly on the Jews.

The Acts of Pilates, purportedly a letter written by Pontius Pilate himself, portrays Pilate as a convert to Christianity and entirely sympathetic to Jesus. Though the letter is an obvious forgery by an early Christian writer, it is another manifest attempt by early Christian writers to demonize Jews and make them entirely accountable for the death of Jesus.

You have no problem finding evidence that Christians blame Jews for killing Jesus, because the Jews killed Jesus (and for that they will burn in Hell, where the flames never cease). How about evidence that early Jews rejected culpability in killing Jesus?

[Cypress]

You have no problem finding evidence that Christians blame Jews for killing Jesus, because the Jews killed Jesus (and for that they will burn in Hell, where the flames never cease). How about evidence that early Jews rejected culpability in killing Jesus?

Your anti-Semitism is noted. It seems to be ubiquitous in the Trump-loving rightwing.

Using the principles of historical scholarship, critical thinking, and human reason leads inevitably to the conclusion that Pontius Pilate ordered the execution of Jesus (as he had done many times before for perceived enemies of the Roman state), he would not have cared one whim about the religious or theological grievances some Jewish leaders may have had against Jesus, he was not a wimp who catered to the desires of Jewish leaders, the Roman soldiers carried out killed Jesus of Nazareth, and early Christian writers increasingly, progressively, and consistently tried to shift the blame away from the Romans and onto the Jews as time passed.

The Jewish leaders who may have wanted Jesus out of the way spoke for themselves, and themselves alone. They did not speak for Jewish people as a whole, they certainly do not speak for one hundred generations of Jewish people two thousand years later. Most importantly, only a virulent anti-Semite and militant Christian could possibly hold Jewish people in the 21st century accountable for historical acts that occurred two millenium ago.

[Bobb]

Your anti-Semitism is noted.

If it took effort, I'd be proud of that fact. But, it just is, because Joos are villeins.

Using the principles of historical scholarship, critical thinking, and human reason leads inevitably to the conclusion that Pontius Pilate ordered the execution of Jesus (as he had done many times before for perceived enemies of the Roman state), he would not have cared one whim about the religious or theological grievances some Jewish leaders may have had against Jesus, he was not a wimp who catered to the desires of Jewish leaders, the Roman soldiers carried out killed Jesus of Nazareth, and early Christian writers increasingly, progressively, and consistently tried to shift the blame away from the Romans and onto the Jews as time passed.

Yet, you can find zero historical evidence that the the Gospel accounts are false. As for your skeptical reasoning, if Pilate really weren't hesitate to execute people on bogus charges, he'd be totally corrupt and the Jews likely would have rebelled at his time, instead of decades later.

The Jewish leaders who may have wanted Jesus out of the way spoke for themselves, and themselves alone. They did not speak for Jewish people as a whole, they certainly do not speak for one hundred generations of Jewish people two thousand years later. Most importantly, only a virulent anti-Semite and militant Christian could possibly hold Jewish people in the 21st century accountable for historical acts that occurred two millenium ago.

Jewish leaders? THE JEWS, not just the leaders. When the Bible says "the Jews" it means that vile spawn of Satan. When it says pharisees, sadducees, or scribes it means the jews, and not just the leaders. When it says Harad, it means the jewish leader. You might con the fucktards into thinking the word "jews" is code for "leaders", but they are stupid. If a God Damned Jew doesn't want to share the guilt of murdering Jesus, that Jew would repent of being a Jew.

"Anti-Semitism" is a complaint of ignorant antichrists.

[Cypress]

If it took effort, I'd be proud of that fact. But, it just is, because Joos are villeins.

Yet, you can find zero historical evidence that the the Gospel accounts are false. As for your skeptical reasoning, if Pilate really weren't hesitate to execute people on bogus charges, he'd be totally corrupt and the Jews likely would have rebelled at his time, instead of decades later.

Jewish leaders? THE JEWS, not just the leaders.

When the Bible says "the Jews" it means that vile spawn of Satan.

When it says pharisees, sadducees, or scribes it means the jews, and not just the leaders. When it says Harad, it means the jewish leader. You might con the fucktards into thinking the word "jews" is code for "leaders", but they are stupid.

If a God Damned Jew doesn't want to share the guilt of murdering Jesus, that Jew would repent of being a Jew.

"Anti-Semitism" is a complaint of ignorant antichrists.

I suggest counseling and medication, stat!

I will say this >>
You have been a good case study for how anti-Semitism is either becoming increasingly popular in the Trump-loving rightwing...or maybe it was there always and all along, and Trump has just made those anti-Semites comfortable expressing their bigotry in public.

I leave it to others to test my hypotheses.

[Phantasmal]

I suggest counseling and medication, stat!

I will say this. You have been a good case study for how anti-Semitism is either becoming increasingly popular in the Trump-loving rightwing...or maybe it was always there, and Trump has just made those anti-Semites comfortable expressing their bigotry in public.

I leave it to others to test my hypotheses.

Also, how many who claim to be Christians do not follow the teachings of Jesus. It’s why I ran from organized religion, so many phonies.