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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I did for some of the other posters in this thread. I didn't bother for you because I don't take you seriously anymore.
    That is a lie; I have read all your lame posts and all I see is more lying, flailing and deflecting. I never took you seriously because you've been lying here since day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Hopefully after reading my other comment, you understand what I'm saying here.
    what I, and everyone else on here, understood is you trying to tell us that democrats never grow government..............a blatant falsehood
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Hello PoliTalker:

    Another Obama lie:

    Associated Press Published on Feb 23, 2009
    President Barack Obama vowed Monday to cut the country's budget deficit in half by the end of his first term. (Feb. 23)

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Promises made,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    what I, and everyone else on here, understood is you trying to tell us that democrats never grow government..............a blatant falsehood
    I didn't say they NEVER do. I said conservative policies lead to bigger government. Of course there are plenty of Democrats who fail to live up to their liberal ideals. The are also Democrats who aren't even liberal, they'll just say anything to get elected, like Hillary.
    However, as I said before, liberal countries have smaller government and more economic freedom than conservative ones, and Republicans are worse than Democrats when it comes to shrinking government. Government virtually always grows under a Republican president. Ronald Reagan, who has been deified by the GOP, expanded the federal government, raised the debt ceiling, and raised taxes. He even gave illegals amnesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Promises made,
    PROMISES BROKEN.
    Obama's Promise to immediately close Guantanamo
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Promises made,
    PROMISES BROKEN.
    President Obama Proposes Cuts To Health Care Spending To Lower Deficit
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I didn't say they NEVER do. I said conservative policies lead to bigger government. Of course there are plenty of Democrats who fail to live up to their liberal ideals. The are also Democrats who aren't even liberal, they'll just say anything to get elected, like Hillary.
    However, as I said before, liberal countries have smaller government and more economic freedom than conservative ones, and Republicans are worse than Democrats when it comes to shrinking government. Government virtually always grows under a Republican president. Ronald Reagan, who has been deified by the GOP, expanded the federal government, raised the debt ceiling, and raised taxes. He even gave illegals amnesty.
    liberal AND conservative policies lead to bigger government. whether its more laws or more regulations, they all require more manpower to enforce. Liberal countries have smaller governments because they are smaller countries. Our government has consistently grown under any president for decades, because that is what modern government does. grow to expand and enforce more of its own power.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Promises made,
    PROMISES BROKEN.
    Associated Press Published on Feb 23, 2009
    President Barack Obama vowed Monday to cut the country's budget deficit in half by the end of his first term. (Feb. 23)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Promises made,

    PROMISES BROKEN.
    Yes, Obama made promises and his PROMISES were BROKEN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Liberal countries have smaller governments because they are smaller countries.
    There are plenty of conservative countries that are bigger and plenty that are smaller. Even the smaller ones have much less freedom than the liberal countries.

    Our government has consistently grown under any president for decades, because that is what modern government does. grow to expand and enforce more of its own power.
    Actually, Democrats shrink the size of government.

    I know Daily Kos has a left-wing bias, but this article uses .gov sites to show where it gets its info.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...idents-grow-it

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Actually, Democrats shrink the size of government.

    I know Daily Kos has a left-wing bias, but this article uses .gov sites to show where it gets its info.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...idents-grow-it
    It never ceases to amaze me how many things Republicans are proven wrong about. If data shows that all their baloney talk about Dems growing government is actually the opposite that would totally not surprise me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello StoneByStone,



    It never ceases to amaze me how many things Republicans are proven wrong about. If data shows that all their baloney talk about Dems growing government is actually the opposite that would totally not surprise me.
    It's amazing, but it also totally makes sense. Conservatism is good for the rich, bad for the working-class. So there is no way that Republicans can realistically sell Conservatism to the country as a whole if they're honest.

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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    It's amazing, but it also totally makes sense. Conservatism is good for the rich, bad for the working-class. So there is no way that Republicans can realistically sell Conservatism to the country as a whole if they're honest.
    It's uncanny. Draining the swamp, shrinking government, this was one of the big crowd-pleasers during his 2016 rallies. To see him fail at that, and his fans are unconcerned, well, it's just weird. That is some slick con job. He can lie to them and they don't care.

    Most people don't like being lied to.

    Most people feel like their trust has been betrayed if they get promised something but they don't end up getting what they were promised.

    They've been victimized by a liar and they make excuses for him.

    Very embarrassing.

    It doesn't wear well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello StoneByStone,



    It's uncanny. Draining the swamp, shrinking government, this was one of the big crowd-pleasers during his 2016 rallies. To see him fail at that, and his fans are unconcerned, well, it's just weird. That is some slick con job. He can lie to them and they don't care.

    Most people don't like being lied to.

    Most people feel like their trust has been betrayed if they get promised something but they don't end up getting what they were promised.

    They've been victimized by a liar and they make excuses for him.

    Very embarrassing.

    It doesn't wear well.
    Trumpsters generally don't follow politics close enough to know that Trump made the swamp bigger. They just know that he has the Magic R and claims to have the values that they have.

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