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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    what would amaze me is if you ever had an opinion on a subject, instead of your default "Trump is bad" response.
    you're an idiot

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    Barr is echoing what most of law abiding, self reliant America is thinking, there is a reason we discipline our children, and reasons why they misbehave when that discipline is not there.
    this carries over into later years in life, when you tolerate bad behavior through making excuses, or blaming someone else, or no consequences, you are encouraging the bad behavior.
    "we need to get back to basics" to summarize BArr's comments.

    Instead of calling for prison reform, or yelling racial profiling, why don't we call it like it is and get "back to basics"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    All you did was to copy and paste some lines from a news site, which caused me to missed your point, so it appears that you're the one preaching lawlessness.
    did I provide the link to the article? yes. so you apparently don't know the law.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    what would amaze me is if you ever had an opinion on a subject, instead of your default "Trump is bad" response.
    you're an idiot

    on topic
    Barr is echoing what most of law abiding, self reliant America is thinking, there is a reason we discipline our children, and reasons why they misbehave when that discipline is not there.
    this carries over into later years in life, when you tolerate bad behavior through making excuses, or blaming someone else, or no consequences, you are encouraging the bad behavior.
    "we need to get back to basics" to summarize BArr's comments.

    Instead of calling for prison reform, or yelling racial profiling, why don't we call it like it is and get "back to basics"

    law abiding citizens want law and order, it is paramount to a peaceful society, we don't care if you are black white brown or yellow, you break the law, you pay the price,

    if the prison population is disproportionately of color, maybe there's a reason that has nothing to do with racism
    but is it 'law and order' when the police have no rules or accountability? is it 'law and order' when the constitutional rights are ignored by that system?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Too many youngsters are getting bad information off the internet about how to interact with cops and what their rights are. This kid refused to obey simple lawful orders and got killed.

    " ... both the officer and the teenager were white.

    Bodycam footage of the February incident in Michigan shows 17-year-old Deven Guilford repeatedly questioning and defying demands by Eaton County Sheriff’s Sergeant Jonathan Frost to hand over his license, registration and proof of insurance.

    Frost, who reportedly pulled Guilford over for flashing him with his high beams, then orders the teenager — who was en route to see his girlfriend on a Saturday evening — out of the car and the situation quickly escalates."

    https://www.thejournal.ie/police-sho...94435-Oct2015/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    but is it 'law and order' when the police have no rules or accountability? is it 'law and order' when the constitutional rights are ignored by that system?
    that's silly and certainly unreasonable to think any system is free of fault, but it's not systemic.
    That would suggest that our prison system is overflowng with innocent people, go ask if you can visit a state penitentiary , or a federal penitentiary and report back to me.

    Which is Barr's point, the left tries to make it sound like our law enforcement as a whole has it in for people of color, that's ridiculous and dangerous
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not a fan of behaviorism? Not always wrong, but usually applied inappropriately
    I understand the theory behind it, no tolerance for guns, drugs or violence at school for instance. But IMO there are too many examples of kids getting in trouble who weren't trying to break the rules where a more "common sense" approach to dealing with the situation should have applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I cringe every time I hear the phrase "zero tolerance" no matter how well intentioned the policy may be.
    And, of course, it never means anything. There are always ridiculous applications like the little girl whose mother included a fork in her lunch kit.

    I do think compliance with police is the best real solution to police shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post

    I do think compliance with police is the best real solution to police shootings.


    tell your children to obey the police, then live to come home and tell you their side of the story
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Too many youngsters are getting bad information off the internet about how to interact with cops and what their rights are. This kid refused to obey simple lawful orders and got killed.
    I saw an episode of "Cops" where they pulled over a car and the male driver refused to talk. They went to the passenger side and asked the young lady for ID. She said "I just took a criminal justice course and we learned we have the right to remain silent." They have to provide identification.

    I used to teach some criminal justice courses and stuff like that makes us cringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    but is it 'law and order' when the police have no rules or accountability? is it 'law and order' when the constitutional rights are ignored by that system?
    Here we go with the "constitutional rights" again. What I always found interesting about supposed libertarians is the way they reduce abstract concepts down to bumper stickers, Rosseau on steroids, usually to justify something that serves them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post


    tell your children to obey the police, then live to come home and tell you their side of the story
    Exactly. Police don't have to stop and explain their probable cause while making an arrest or detention. If your rights were violated there is a good chance the case will get dropped when it gets to the police station or prosecutor's office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I understand the theory behind it, no tolerance for guns, drugs or violence at school for instance. But IMO there are too many examples of kids getting in trouble who weren't trying to break the rules where a more "common sense" approach to dealing with the situation should have applied.
    Where the application part comes in, but you are correct, it can, and has, produce unwanted results

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Where the application part comes in, but you are correct, it can, and has, produce unwanted results
    Principals are afraid if they don't it in every situation they will be accused of favoritism or failing to follow the guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    And, of course, it never means anything. There are always ridiculous applications like the little girl whose mother included a fork in her lunch kit.

    I do think compliance with police is the best real solution to police shootings.
    Exactly. I get the desire for not having weapons and drugs on campus. Punishing a kid for the bolded above does not help achieve that.

    As far as cops I'm with you. Having seen cops mess with my friends as well as having a cop slam my head in the concrete I've seen/experienced some of the bad sh*t that they do. However outright disobeying them rarely seems to end well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    that's silly and certainly unreasonable to think any system is free of fault, but it's not systemic.
    That would suggest that our prison system is overflowng with innocent people, go ask if you can visit a state penitentiary , or a federal penitentiary and report back to me.

    Which is Barr's point, the left tries to make it sound like our law enforcement as a whole has it in for people of color, that's ridiculous and dangerous
    but it is systemic, from the president, to the house/senate, the courts, and on down to law enforcement. look at the war on drugs and all of the abuses and violations that occur, from 4th and 5th Amendment violations to asset forfeiture.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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