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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Dr. Lance Dodes, a Training and Supervising Analyst Emeritus with the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute:

    "Mr. Trump is a sociopath, in that he meets every diagnostic criterion for the official diagnostic term “Antisocial Personality Disorder.” The fact that this is a personality disorder, rather than simply a single symptom such as anxiety or depression, means that all his actions are signs of this severe, continuous, mental disturbance.

    To understand his actions, it is essential to keep in mind that sociopaths have only one goal: to enhance themselves, and that in pursuing their self-interest, they lack both normal human empathy for others and a normal human conscience. Cheating, conning, lying, stealing, threatening are all done with no remorse.

    When stressed with facts that would require them to admit failure, or even that others know more or are more capable than them, sociopaths lose track of reality, becoming delusional with insistence on the truth of what they psychologically need to maintain their superior view of themselves. Indeed, nobody matters except to the degree they can serve the sociopath’s personal needs.

    That’s why loyalty is demanded, but as soon as an associate disagrees, the sociopath turns on them with a fury; there was never a real relationship to begin with."

    Very disturbing
    Psychoquackery.

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    Trump governs like a Nazi with the endless propaganda lies, attacks on media, attacks on outsiders and purging for display of subordinates.

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Psychoquackery.
    Science. That's what it is.

    Observing a phenomenon, a pattern, giving it a name, predicting outcome based on past observations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,



    Science. That's what it is.

    Observing a phenomenon, a pattern, giving it a name, predicting outcome based on past observations.
    That's not what science is.

    Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    That's not what science is.

    Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
    You are not alone in that view.

    "Psychoanalysis is a controversial discipline and its validity as a science is contested. "

    "Karl Popper argued that psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience because its claims are not testable and cannot be refuted; that is, they are not falsifiable.[109]" (wiki)

    But then the source for the above conclusion is a well-respected institution:

    "The Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute is a psychoanalytic research, training, education facility that is affiliated with the American Psychoanalytic Association and the International Psychoanalytic Association. There were no psychoanalytic societies devoted to Sigmund Freud in Boston prior to his visit to Worcester, Massachusetts in 1909, though after 1909 there were individuals interested in Freud's writings, including James Jackson Putnam, L. Eugene Emerson, Isador Coriat, William Healy, and Augusta Bronner. The present society and institute (abbreviated BPSI) was founded by psychoanalyst Franz Alexander only after 1931. The BPSI is the third oldest psychoanalytic institute in the United States; only the New York Psychoanalytic Institute and Chicago Institute for Psychoanalysis are older.

    Major psychoanalysts who have been associated with the institute include Franz Alexander, Hans Sachs, Helene Deutsch, Felix Deutsch, Hans and Greta Bibring, Ives Hendrix, and more recently Philip Holzman and Arnold Modell. In its early years, the Department of Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital was strongly associated with BPSI, especially through its first chief Stanley Cobb. " (wiki)

    Perhaps it is not science. I may have spoken too freely to call it that. I am not adamant that we need to use that word. No matter what it is, it's just a word. What we call it has no bearing on what is being accomplished. Psychoanalysis is beneficial to American society. Do you think everybody at this very large institution is just wasting their time?

    Whether or not it is science, they are still Observing a phenomenon, a pattern, giving it a name, predicting outcome based on past observations. It is an informed prediction.

    Trump is a psychopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    You are not alone in that view.

    "Psychoanalysis is a controversial discipline and its validity as a science is contested. "

    "Karl Popper argued that psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience because its claims are not testable and cannot be refuted; that is, they are not falsifiable.[109]" (wiki)
    Karl Popper is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Perhaps it is not science. I may have spoken too freely to call it that. I am not adamant that we need to use that word. No matter what it is, it's just a word. What we call it has no bearing on what is being accomplished.
    It's not science, as I generally hold to Popper's philosophy regarding the definition of science.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Psychoanalysis is beneficial to American society. Do you think everybody at this very large institution is just wasting their time?
    Psychoanalysis can be beneficial. Psychoquackery is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Whether or not it is science, they are still Observing a phenomenon, a pattern, giving it a name, predicting outcome based on past observations. It is an informed prediction.

    Trump is a psychopath.
    There is nothing psychopathic about Trump's behavior.

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    There is nothing psychopathic about Trump's behavior.
    Dodes explains why he has reached this professional conclusion:

    "Tana Ganeva: What made you first consider that Donald Trump is a sociopath?

    Lance Dodes: Mr. Trump has a long history that proves his diagnosis. If you consider the 7 traits that define Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM-5, he meets every one of them:

    1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors.
    2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying … or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
    3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
    4. Irritability and aggressiveness
    5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others.
    6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
    7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another."

    Explanation is logical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    Dodes explains why he has reached this professional conclusion:

    "Tana Ganeva: What made you first consider that Donald Trump is a sociopath?

    Lance Dodes: Mr. Trump has a long history that proves his diagnosis. If you consider the 7 traits that define Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM-5, he meets every one of them:

    1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors.
    2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying … or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
    3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
    4. Irritability and aggressiveness
    5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others.
    6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
    7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another."
    How does he meet every one of them?

    I don't think he meets any of them.

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    How does he meet every one of them?

    I don't think he meets any of them.
    Well that's the difference between a Trump supporter and a non-supporter.

    Trump supporters tend to think he:

    1. is a 100% lawful citizen (and he only goes to court so much because people attack him so much,) that he has never once told a lie, the most trustworthy person ever,
    2. always has well thought out plans for everything he does, all calculated out by a team of experts that he relies on for their professionally informed judgement even it it is not what he might think,
    3. is the most friendly guy around and would never speak an ill word about another human, always polite, waiting for others before he goes, etc,
    4. is very concerned for the safety of all others, (like Jesus)
    5. never takes daunting risks on a hunch,
    6. always does what he says he is going to do like you can take that to the bank - if he makes a promise to do something or pay something he is standing behind it no matter what, (such as releasing his taxes or shrinking government,)
    7. and if he messes up and harms another is the first to take responsibility and show genuine concern for the harmed, whatever he can do to make it better.

    Personally, I am like the majority of Americans. I think he absolutely violates every one of those listed traits and there is no doubt he is definitely a psychopath.
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    David Brooks is a conservative? LOL poleysmoker is an idiot. Brooks is a zionist
    https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/....-idf-1.5315633

    How do you even take the liberals on this board serious? They are fucking idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    David Brooks is a conservative? LOL poleysmoker is an idiot. Brooks is a zionist
    https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/....-idf-1.5315633

    How do you even take the liberals on this board serious? They are fucking idiots
    Long article. Did you real it all?? Where in it does it say Brooks is a Zionist??

    Don't get mad @ me, I am asking for a friend.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    I have long been a fan of personality types.

    There is one type of person I refer to as a 'black cloud person.'

    Because it seems like wherever they go there is this rain cloud that follows them around and always rains on their parade.

    This is not just bad luck.

    These people bring this on.

    People don't just attack Trump for no reason.

    He is not this innocent victim who is unfairly attacked.

    That's ridiculous.

    If he was truly a good person, a gifted great person, he would be universally loved for it.

    He is not the person.

    He's mean and spiteful. And he is conniving. Always plotting to get some advantage on others and use it. He wants leverage. He always wants leverage.

    He brings on the criticism because he attacks people and institutions.

    Trump is a black cloud person.

    Because he is a sociopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    Trump supporters tend to think he:

    1. is a 100% lawful citizen (and he only goes to court so much because people attack him so much,) that he has never once told a lie, the most trustworthy person ever,
    Outside of Jesus Christ, nobody has been a 100% lawful citizen. Pretty much any major business faces lawsuits at one point or another. Outside of Jesus Christ, nobody has ever been completely honest.

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then everybody else in this world is also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    2. always has well thought out plans for everything he does, all calculated out by a team of experts that he relies on for their professionally informed judgement even it it is not what he might think,
    I wouldn't say "always", because people aren't perfect, but generally he plans out what he does. He wouldn't be as successful in real estate as he has been if he didn't ever plan anything out. Many people are worse at planning ahead than Trump is.

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then many other people in this world are also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    3. is the most friendly guy around and would never speak an ill word about another human, always polite, waiting for others before he goes, etc,
    I wouldn't say "most friendly", but he is generally quite friendly towards people who aren't aiming to smear him every chance they get. Everybody has spoken an ill word about another human at one point or another, everybody has been impolite at one point or another, everybody has sometimes waited for others and sometimes not waited for others...

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then everybody else in this world is also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    4. is very concerned for the safety of all others, (like Jesus)
    He is. That's why he wants to build the wall. All of us are a bit more "reckless" than we should be at times...

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then everybody else in this world is also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    5. never takes daunting risks on a hunch,
    Many people have done this before.

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then many other people in this world are also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    6. always does what he says he is going to do like you can take that to the bank - if he makes a promise to do something or pay something he is standing behind it no matter what, (such as releasing his taxes or shrinking government,)
    Everybody has gone back on their word at one point or another during their lifetimes.

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then everybody else in this world is also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    7. and if he messes up and harms another is the first to take responsibility and show genuine concern for the harmed, whatever he can do to make it better.
    I've seen him take responsibility for his actions. I've also seen him "pass the buck". Same with anybody else on this Earth. He HAS shown genuine concern for others. He has been very charitable throughout his life, more than many other people.

    If this qualifies Trump for being a psychopath, then everybody else in this world is also qualified for being a psychopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Personally, I am like the majority of Americans.
    You're making up numbers again...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I think he absolutely violates every one of those listed traits and there is no doubt he is definitely a psychopath.
    Okay. Then, as I've gone through with you above, everybody else (or at the very least most everybody else) are also psychopaths. Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I have long been a fan of personality types.

    There is one type of person I refer to as a 'black cloud person.'

    Because it seems like wherever they go there is this rain cloud that follows them around and always rains on their parade.
    Yup. I've seen that before.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    This is not just bad luck.

    These people bring this on.
    A lot of times, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    People don't just attack Trump for no reason.
    Yes, they do. Sometimes they also have reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He is not this innocent victim who is unfairly attacked.
    A lot of times he is. Sometimes he is fairly attacked.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That's ridiculous.
    Not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    If he was truly a good person, a gifted great person, he would be universally loved for it.
    Jesus Christ was the greatest and most "good" person to ever walk this Earth. He was hated by a lot of people, was viciously assaulted by them, and eventually got crucified. "Goodness" does NOT result in "being loved".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He is not the person.
    He's no better or worse than the rest of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He's mean and spiteful.
    Just like all of our sinful natures which sometimes "come out to play".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And he is conniving.
    Just like all of our sinful natures which sometimes "come out to play".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Always plotting to get some advantage on others and use it. He wants leverage. He always wants leverage.
    Just like all of our sinful natures which sometimes "come out to play".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He brings on the criticism because he attacks people and institutions.
    A lot of times he is counter-punching.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Trump is a black cloud person.
    Nah.

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    Because he is a sociopath.
    According to your reasoning, EVERYONE is a sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Psychoquackery.
    LOL! You lack the requisite intelligence to make such a determination, Cindy.

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