Conservative David Brooks Calls President Trump A Sociopath

[Gonzomin]

Notice how he simply responded with "Completely wrong post. Congratulations."?? Notice how he didn't even bother to form counterarguments??

No surprise there, though...

You are too silly to deal with. There is a thread on Colter today because she said something critical of Trump. First responders said she is not a conservative. That is what you inane kids did with Brooks. Brooks has been one of the intellectual and respected voices of conservatism for decades. Colter has been a super conservative clown for a long time. Yet they failed the Trump purity test and were voted off the island. Now they are declared not conservative. By whom? They simply are and will remain huge conservative voices.
If you knew anything about Brooks or even Colter you would understand. They are conservatives. You are a nut.

[Adolf_Twitler]

Brooks is as much of a conservative as you are

Brooks is a Conservative!

He just isn't an Asshole Racist White Nationalist Piece-of-shit Conservative- LIKE YOU ARE!

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Having sociopathic traits is part of the job description for being a successful president.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-dominant.html

[anatta]

If that has to be explained there is likely no explanation which will serve. Frankly, it looks like he is celebrating the deaths. It doesn't matter whether he is or he isn't. It looks like it. You don't want a photo bomb like this. Not this president, not now. Very bad optics.

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Brooks is a Conservative!

He just isn't an Asshole Racist White Nationalist Piece-of-shit Conservative- LIKE YOU ARE!

Nope. Not a conservative. Just another Trans Righty that is "suitable" to you leftists. Anyone "suitable" to leftists is of no use to me

[gfm7175]

You are too silly to deal with. There is a thread on Colter today because she said something critical of Trump.

Yes, Coulter has been quite critical of Trump for a while now.

First responders said she is not a conservative.

She's a mixed bag... She holds conservative views on some issues, but holds liberal views on others. At this point in time, though, I'd say she's probably more liberal than she is conservative.

That is what you inane kids did with Brooks.

Brooks has always been a liberal. He has always wanted to liberally apply laws/policies. That hasn't changed.

Brooks has been one of the intellectual and respected voices of conservatism for decades.

No, he has espoused liberalism for decades. He has never been a conservative. Conservative/Liberal is different from Republican/Democrat.

Colter has been a super conservative clown for a long time.

Coulter has espoused some conservatism over the years. She has also espoused some liberalism over the years. She is a mixed bag. It seems to me that she has become more liberal as of recently, though.

Yet they failed the Trump purity test and were voted off the island.

There is no "Trump purity test".

Now they are declared not conservative.

It's not a recent phenomenon...
Brooks has always been a liberal.
Coulter has always been a mixed bag.

By whom?

The definitions of the words 'conservative' and 'liberal', in English.

They simply are and will remain huge conservative voices.

Brooks is not a conservative voice, nor has he ever been. Coulter has voiced conservative ideals at times, but has always been a mixed bag (which seems to be leaning more liberal nowadays).

If you knew anything about Brooks or even Colter you would understand.

'If you could simply understand' mantra...

They are conservatives.

Brooks is a liberal. Coulter is a mixed bag (which seems to be leaning more liberal these days).

You are a nut.

No, I am a human.

[gfm7175]

Hello gfm7175,

Only a small minority of people in this country consider Trump to be a charitable man.

Argument From RandU Fallacy. You're making up numbers here...

I've heard some supporters say: "Well, he's not nice. But he's what we need."

I'm okay with that.

If that has to be explained there is likely no explanation which will serve. Frankly, it looks like he is celebrating the deaths. It doesn't matter whether he is or he isn't. It looks like it.

Smiling and giving a thumbs up for a photograph is "celebrating deaths"??

??

You're taking an action from one context and then attempting to apply that same action to another context.

You don't want a photo bomb like this. Not this president, not now. Very bad optics.

Pretty much anything can be twisted into pretty much anything else.

His very shaky reputation just keeps getting eroded away further and further. At some point people are going to abandon him.

His reputation is fine.

Some people report being very stressed as Trump supporters. They feel like they are living in shame. Very guilty over it.

Not shame/guilt... More likely fear of being assaulted by extreme left-wing hate groups such as Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

It must be difficult to hang in there and continue supporting him knowing that so many people are just flat disgusted with him.

Nope. Not difficult at all. When the alternative is Marxism, I have quite an easy time casting my vote for the non-Marxist candidate.

[PoliTalker]

Posted by PoliTalker: "It must be difficult to hang in there and continue supporting him knowing that so many people are just flat disgusted with him."

Hello gfm7175,

Nope. Not difficult at all. When the alternative is Marxism, I have quite an easy time casting my vote for the non-Marxist candidate.

There's the problem with that argument. The foregone conclusion is incorrect. We can use elements that Marx championed without subjecting ourselves to everything he envisioned. This goes right back to the never proven fallacy (widely believed on the right, but incorrect) that once socialism gets started it grows until in consumes everything. This is a myth, but belief in this myth corrupts much of the thinking on the right, and leads them to totally bogus positions much in the same way that an incorrect entry at the beginning of a calculation will cause the result to be completely erroneous.

We have already shown that we can mix elements of socialism with our capitalism and be just fine. We began doing that long before America 'was great again,' presumably in the 50's and 60's.

Note that Trump has never explained when he thought America was great in the first place, so 'great again' is a totally nebulous term. With that simple phrase, he has essentially tossed an incomplete argument out there which is so wide open to interpretation that anyone can see anything they like in it. And that's the plan. All part of the con. Racists are thus perfectly within their own logic to look back on a time when America was more racist, and nothing overt even need be said. It's a mind game.

It's how a sociopath conman works.

[gfm7175]

Posted by PoliTalker: "It must be difficult to hang in there and continue supporting him knowing that so many people are just flat disgusted with him."

Posted by gfm7175: "Nope. Not difficult at all. When the alternative is Marxism, I have quite an easy time casting my vote for the non-Marxist candidate."

Hello gfm7175,

There's the problem with that argument. The foregone conclusion is incorrect. We can use elements that Marx championed without subjecting ourselves to everything he envisioned.

One could, but many within the Democratic Party seem to be adopting the Communist Manifesto as their political platform.

This goes right back to the never proven fallacy (widely believed on the right, but incorrect) that once socialism gets started it grows until in consumes everything. This is a myth, but belief in this myth corrupts much of the thinking on the right, and leads them to totally bogus positions much in the same way that an incorrect entry at the beginning of a calculation will cause the result to be completely erroneous.

We have already shown that we can mix elements of socialism with our capitalism and be just fine. We began doing that long before America 'was great again,' presumably in the 50's and 60's.

I wouldn't say "just fine". The areas which are socialist are the areas which are failing. Social Security is failing. Medicare is failing. Public schools are failing. Obamacare is failing. Price controls (such as the minimum wage) are failing (creating shortages). And on and on... Socialism can only survive so long as it has wealth to mooch off of others, and that's only if it doesn't mooch too much... Socialism cannot survive on its own.

Note that Trump has never explained when he thought America was great in the first place, so 'great again' is a totally nebulous term.

Correct. It is merely a campaign slogan. This time around, I think he is going to go with "Keep America Great" or something along those lines.

With that simple phrase, he has essentially tossed an incomplete argument out there which is so wide open to interpretation that anyone can see anything they like in it. And that's the plan.

Precisely. That "openness to interpretation" is what makes it such a great campaign slogan, and allows it to mean many things to many different people.

All part of the con.

Not a con, just a great campaign slogan.

Racists are thus perfectly within their own logic to look back on a time when America was more racist, and nothing overt even need be said. It's a mind game.

In our previous discussion concerning Trump's "racism", it was actually you who was espousing racism, by means of creating racist models and then accusing the President of operating under those models. Even if you aren't interested in continuing with that discussion, I would still be interested in your highlighting of precisely which parts of his tweet were racist, and to explain what makes those words racist. Even by the definition of racism which you claim to operate under, there was no racism within that tweet.

It's how a sociopath conman works.

He's not a sociopath nor a conman.

[PoliTalker]

Hello gfm7175,

One could, but many within the Democratic Party seem to be adopting the Communist Manifesto as their political platform.

That sounds like hearsay and projecting. A total right wing talking point myth not founded in truth. Can you name just one prominent Democrat who has declared in their own words they are adopting the communist manifesto?

I wouldn't say "just fine". The areas which are socialist are the areas which are failing. Social Security is failing. Medicare is failing. Public schools are failing. Obamacare is failing. Price controls (such as the minimum wage) are failing (creating shortages). And on and on... Socialism can only survive so long as it has wealth to mooch off of others, and that's only if it doesn't mooch too much...

All of those systems were attacked by Republicans. That is very telling. If Republicans felt they would fail on their own, they should have stepped back and allowed them to do so, confident in their belief. But even they did not really believe those systems would fail on their own, so in every single case, they have done everything they can to bring about failure. And despite all of their attacks on those systems, they are all still serving the American public and very popular ideas that Republicans are unable to convince the majority to vote against.

Socialism cannot survive on its own.

That is a completely moot point because not one candidate is campaigning on the idea that we have to abandon capitalism.

Correct. It is merely a campaign slogan. [That he should have no problem explaining, but sadly doesn't even try] This time around, I think he is going to go with "Keep America Great" or something along those lines.

Should have gone with that in 2016 as all he has done has been take credit for the Obama economy.

Precisely. That "openness to interpretation" is what makes it such a great campaign slogan, and allows it to mean many things to many different people.

Being ambiguous is not what we need in a leader.

He's not a sociopath nor a conman.

Trump is both a sociopath and a conman. Trump is also a misogynist, a xenophobe, a racist, a cheat, a liar and a demagogue. He's the worst President we have ever had.

[gfm7175]

Hello gfm7175,

That sounds like hearsay and projecting. A total right wing talking point myth not founded in truth. Can you name just one prominent Democrat who has declared in their own words they are adopting the communist manifesto?

I doubt that any of them are going to come out and say "I am adopting the communist manifesto" or "I am a Marxist". But to name one person who is following the manifesto... Bernie Sanders.

All of those systems were attacked by Republicans.

I'd say Conservatives rather than Republicans, here, but I get the general idea.

That is very telling. If Republicans felt they would fail on their own, they should have stepped back and allowed them to do so, confident in their belief. But even they did not really believe those systems would fail on their own, so in every single case, they have done everything they can to bring about failure.

Nothing needs to be done to "bring about" their failure... It's just a matter of time either way.

And despite all of their attacks on those systems, they are all still serving the American public and very popular ideas that Republicans are unable to convince the majority to vote against.

They are all failing and will continue to fail until they dissolve.

That is a completely moot point because not one candidate is campaigning on the idea that we have to abandon capitalism.

Fascism is not capitalism.

Should have gone with that in 2016 as all he has done has been take credit for the Obama economy.

The economy was in the toilet under Obama. It has gotten much better since Trump took office.

Being ambiguous is not what we need in a leader.

I was talking about the campaign slogan here.

Trump is both a sociopath and a conman. Trump is also a misogynist, a xenophobe, a racist, a cheat, a liar and a demagogue. He's the worst President we have ever had.

Wow, you have a strong distaste for Trump.

Which parts of his tweet were racist? What makes those words racist? Even by the definition of racism which you claim to operate under, there was no racism within that tweet of his.

[Earl]

Posted by PoliTalker: "It must be difficult to hang in there and continue supporting him knowing that so many people are just flat disgusted with him."

Hello gfm7175,



There's the problem with that argument. The foregone conclusion is incorrect. We can use elements that Marx championed without subjecting ourselves to everything he envisioned. This goes right back to the never proven fallacy (widely believed on the right, but incorrect) that once socialism gets started it grows until in consumes everything. This is a myth, but belief in this myth corrupts much of the thinking on the right, and leads them to totally bogus positions much in the same way that an incorrect entry at the beginning of a calculation will cause the result to be completely erroneous.

We have already shown that we can mix elements of socialism with our capitalism and be just fine. We began doing that long before America 'was great again,' presumably in the 50's and 60's.

Note that Trump has never explained when he thought America was great in the first place, so 'great again' is a totally nebulous term. With that simple phrase, he has essentially tossed an incomplete argument out there which is so wide open to interpretation that anyone can see anything they like in it. And that's the plan. All part of the con. Racists are thus perfectly within their own logic to look back on a time when America was more racist, and nothing overt even need be said. It's a mind game.

It's how a sociopath conman works.

“We can use elements that Marx championed.”

Well, no, Snowflake, hell no, we can’t.

[Earl]

I doubt that any of them are going to come out and say "I am adopting the communist manifesto" or "I am a Marxist". But to name one person who is following the manifesto... Bernie Sanders.


I'd say Conservatives rather than Republicans, here, but I get the general idea.


Nothing needs to be done to "bring about" their failure... It's just a matter of time either way.


They are all failing and will continue to fail until they dissolve.


Fascism is not capitalism.


The economy was in the toilet under Obama. It has gotten much better since Trump took office.


I was talking about the campaign slogan here.


Wow, you have a strong distaste for Trump.

Which parts of his tweet were racist? What makes those words racist? Even by the definition of racism which you claim to operate under, there was no racism within that tweet of his.

Nice summation.

Yes, PoliTalker is filled with hate and lies. Very unattractive.

[gfm7175]

Nice summation.

Yes, PoliTalker is filled with hate and lies. Very unattractive.

I think my post #63 in the "white supremacy shaped American Christianity" thread is a nice summation as well. https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...82#post3202682

It was there that I was originally asking him (and will extend this request to ANYONE who claims Trump's tweet was racist) for what part of that tweet was racist... I have yet to get a sound reply about that (from anyone).

I know precisely how PoliTalker is reasoning in his claim that the tweet was racist, which I think is at least partly why he is avoiding directly discussing that tweet. He is unable to simply use Trump's own words (word for word) and show me where the racism is. Instead, he must first construct a racist model out of Trump's words in order to project racism onto the President. The model is HIS, not the President's. Therefore, HE is the racist, not the President. It's as simple as that.

[Adolf_Twitler]

Nope. Not a conservative. Just another Trans Righty that is "suitable" to you leftists. Anyone "suitable" to leftists is of no use to me

I have no problem with anyone being Conservative. I am Conservative myself as compared to someone like a Bernie Sanders or Liz Warren.

Trans righty- is that some kind of a pinko White National transexual or something? It's OK, we don't care about people's sex lives, as long as they aren't raping or sexually harassing women, children, or men- Like Donald Trump does!

It's the White Nationalist assholes like you and Donald Trump that most people, including myself have a serious problem with!

Just remember, most people think you people are assholes and troublemakers.

That is why most people (The Majority) will vote in 2020 to take Donald Trump out of power and put you assholes that voted for him back in their proper place- THE MINORITY- The Deplorables!