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    Politalker: "Can you name just one prominent Democrat who has declared in their own words they are adopting the communist manifesto?" (a position they never claimed, but which you assigned to them...)

    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    I doubt that any of them are going to come out and say "I am adopting the communist manifesto" or "I am a Marxist".
    So,,, this is a position which they have not actually voiced, but one which you have arbitrarily assigned TO them. IOW, you made something up and applied it to them, and are now holding them to it as if they advocated it. But they never did. You act like they did, but they never actually did.

    It's a stark double standard. You won't allow anyone to claim that Trump is a racist, claiming that he never actually said something overtly racist, and you won't allow others to interpret his message to infer that he is racist, but you hold the Democrats to a different standard and feel completely free to assign things to them they they did not overtly proclaim, thus justifying calling them communist, but under the same standard, will not allow the thought that Trump is racist.

    It's highly biased. Not open-minded at all. Very prejudiced. Obviously this is no way to achieve a realistic view of politics. It's a shamelessly slanted and carefully controlled right wing view.

    And it is a required view in order to give Trump a free pass on his glaring lack of basic empathy, and deny that he is indeed a sociopath.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    But to name one person who is following the manifesto... Bernie Sanders.
    Bernie has never once said he wants to makes us communist. He has been very explicit in the programs he favors. None of it is communist. He is a democratic socialist who strongly favors free and fair elections of leaders under the US Constitution, which establishes a free nation. Not once has Bernie EVER advocated for abandoning the Constitution. Bernie has never once advocated for an end to capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Nothing needs to be done to "bring about" their failure...
    We will never know that, because Republicans have so little confidence in their own position that they have done everything in their power to bring about the failure of Democratic government assistance programs designed to help the people in need. And this is extraordinary. Logically, if they really believed these programs would fail on their own, it would be child's play for them to say so, and then simply sit back and watch them self-implode. Nothing would validate their position more. But they couldn't resist, so now we will never know. Nothing could erode Republican credibility more than their own actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    It's just a matter of time either way.
    And that statement is a tacit admission of agreement that Republicans have actively acted to destroy Democratic programs they falsely claim will fail on their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    They are all failing and will continue to fail until they dissolve.
    Despite Republican meddling, all of those vital programs are still serving society. And extraordinarily, Republicans had majorities in both houses and were unable to agree on any viable plan to replace any of those programs when they had the chance to present something better and failed to even agree among themselves what that might be. Nothing could demonstrate more clearly that Republicans have nothing to offer except blaming the poor for their own condition, and repeating the myths that diminishing opportunity somehow abounds in the land of the vanishing middle class.

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    Fascism is not capitalism.
    We agree on that, but it has nothing to do with the fact that not one Democratic candidate is campaigning on the idea that we have to abandon capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The economy was in the toilet under Obama. It has gotten much better since Trump took office.
    The fact that you prefer to categorize events this way indicates strong bias. Obama inherited a perilously shaky economy in shambles, and carefully nurtured it back to strong health. Most of the economic recovery from the Great Recession (which followed the terrible crash under GWB,) occurred during Obama's tenure. Bush drove the economy into the ditch. Obama got the economy back on the road, back up to speed, and ran the mud off the tires. Trump, of the party that ran the economy into the ditch, merely jumped into the driver's seat after everything was fine, spent some credit card money to go through the car wash, and proceeded to falsely take shining credit for the entire recovery. As the card balance balloons...

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Wow, you have a strong distaste for Trump.
    This position is based on facts. The facts are that Trump is both a sociopath and a conman. Trump is also a misogynist, a xenophobe, a racist, a cheat, a liar and a demagogue. This is not based on opinion. There is strong evidence to back up every single one of those very troubling assessments.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Which parts of his tweet were racist? What makes those words racist? Even by the definition of racism which you claim to operate under, there was no racism within that tweet of his.
    Averse racism is not blatant like overt racism. But it is still racism, none the less. It is more subtle, but the underlying message of specialized treatment because of race is clear. Trump has never told a white person to go back where they came from. And this is part of a pattern of hurtful messages. It is as if an individual had wandered out of the black ghetto and into a posh white suburb, or country club, and has been accosted by a rich and powerful white guy, and then told to go back where they came from. That's the connotation. And it's hurtful. It is said to be specifically mean. Not a constructive thing to say. It is a shameful personal attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    You don't get to decide, it is your opinion, & most of us know what that is worth-fuckin nuthin............
    So you get to decide? He is no more a conservative than Elizabeth Warren is an injun

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    You are as much an idiot as Fucker Tucker Carlson! LOL!
    ^^Doesn't think he is an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    So,,, this is a position which they have not actually voiced, but one which you have arbitrarily assigned TO them. IOW, you made something up and applied it to them, and are now holding them to it as if they advocated it. But they never did. You act like they did, but they never actually did.
    No, I'm simply taking the Communist Manifesto and matching it up with language that socialists such as Bernie Sanders espouse. Just because Bernie Sanders doesn't directly say "I am a Marxist and I support the Communist Manifesto" doesn't mean that Bernie isn't espousing and supporting the ideas that are contained therein.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It's a stark double standard.
    No, it's not. In the above case, being a Marxist is clearly defined as being a believer in the teachings of Karl Marx, using the Communist Manifesto as the "holy document". If Bernie Sanders is espousing and supporting those beliefs, then that makes Bernie Sanders a Marxist, whether or not he wishes to directly say "I am a Marxist".

    In the "Trump is a racist" case, the people accusing him of racism do not define the word 'racism' in a clear and objective way. Instead, they use racism as an insult and a slur. They also have to subjectively create their own racist model from Trump's words to then accuse Trump of racism, even though his own model for those words was not anywhere near the same as the racist model which they created and then projected onto him. You will notice that the people accusing him of racism never take his own words, word for word, and then show where the racism is, after they have clearly defined the term 'racism' in an objective way. No, they re-word his words, they summarize his words, create a racist model within the re-wording, within the summary, then they accuse HIM of racism...

    In short, in the first example, I am taking Bernie's actual words and comparing them with the Communist Manifesto. He is espousing the same ideas contained therein. He is a "believer"; he is part of the Church of Karl Marx. In the second example, people are ignoring Trump's actual words, they are offering up a re-wording of what Trump said (a "racist model"), and then accusing Trump of racism, when the words actually belong to THEM, not Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    You won't allow anyone to claim that Trump is a racist,
    I can't stop people from claiming that Trump is racist. The right to an opinion and to express that opinion is an inherent right. I want people to express their opinions freely. I will simply keep correcting them when their opinion is dead wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    claiming that he never actually said something overtly racist,
    He didn't. I have provided you with the complete text of Trump's tweet, asking you which parts are the racist parts and why those parts are racist, even per the definition of racism which you claim to operate under. You never responded.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    and you won't allow others to interpret his message to infer that he is racist,
    Precisely. I won't allow others to create a racist model out of what he said and then accuse HIM of racism, when THEY are the ones creating the racist model. Would you like me to do that to you right now?

    You say later on within this comment that Trump, an old white man, lacks empathy. That comment of yours, which seems to infer that all old white men lack empathy, is ageist, racist, and sexist!!!

    If you aren't okay with me framing your actual words in that kind of manner, then why do you do the same to Trump? Notice how I constructed an ageist, racist, sexist model and then applied that model to you, even though you didn't express any of that within your word-for-word comment? THAT'S precisely what you (and many others) are doing to Trump, due to your vitriol towards him.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    but you hold the Democrats to a different standard and feel completely free to assign things to them they they did not overtly proclaim, thus justifying calling them communist, but under the same standard, will not allow the thought that Trump is racist.

    It's highly biased. Not open-minded at all. Very prejudiced. Obviously this is no way to achieve a realistic view of politics. It's a shamelessly slanted and carefully controlled right wing view.
    See my above explanations.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And it is a required view in order to give Trump a free pass on his glaring lack of basic empathy, and deny that he is indeed a sociopath.
    More "guilty until proven innocent" assertions...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Bernie has never once said he wants to makes us communist.
    Correct. He knows what words would negatively affect him, so he avoids using those words. Communism and Fascism are both specific forms of Socialism. Bernie wants Socialism; I don't think he cares all that much which specific form it takes...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He has been very explicit in the programs he favors.
    Yes, he has. They match up with the Communist Manifesto quite perfectly. Bernie is a Marxist.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    None of it is communist.
    Depends on whether Bernie wants the government to own and operate, or whether Bernie wants people to own and operate, but the government to tell people how they must own and operate. It's Socialism either way. It's Marxism either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He is a democratic socialist who strongly favors free and fair elections of leaders under the US Constitution, which establishes a free nation.
    No, he wants to do away with the Constitutional way of electing Presidents, as the Constitutional way of electing Senators was done away with. He doesn't like the US Constitution; he wants to fundamentally change America into a Socialist nation, into an Oligarchy where he is part of the ruling class.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Not once has Bernie EVER advocated for abandoning the Constitution. Bernie has never once advocated for an end to capitalism.
    The Constitution gets in Bernie's way; he doesn't like it. He constantly rails against capitalism and the "top 1%", even though he is now enjoying membership within that "1%".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We will never know that, because Republicans have so little confidence in their own position that they have done everything in their power to bring about the failure of Democratic government assistance programs designed to help the people in need. And this is extraordinary.
    They don't need failure brought upon them... They are failing on their own. There is not enough money to mooch off of others to fund them. Socialism only works so long as it can mooch off of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Logically, if they really believed these programs would fail on their own, it would be child's play for them to say so, and then simply sit back and watch them self-implode.
    Why do that? Why not try to remove those programs? Why not help people instead of watching them drown?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Nothing would validate their position more. But they couldn't resist, so now we will never know. Nothing could erode Republican credibility more than their own actions.
    I get it, you don't like Republicans. Honestly, I don't like a lot of them either. A lot of them are quite liberal.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And that statement is a tacit admission of agreement that Republicans have actively acted to destroy Democratic programs they falsely claim will fail on their own.
    No, that statement simply means that whether the program gets left alone, or whether one tries to improve the program, it will fail either way. One can put a band-aid on it, but if given enough time, even the band-aid won't hold. It's simply a matter of time either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Despite Republican meddling, all of those vital programs are still serving society.
    BECAUSE of Republican meddling, those "vital" programs now have a lot of band-aids on them to delay the inevitable. They are still going to fail, though. It's just a matter of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And extraordinarily, Republicans had majorities in both houses and were unable to agree on any viable plan to replace any of those programs when they had the chance to present something better and failed to even agree among themselves what that might be.
    This simply shows that Republicans have both conservatives AND liberals within their ranks, while Democrats are almost exclusively liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Nothing could demonstrate more clearly that Republicans have nothing to offer except blaming the poor for their own condition, and repeating the myths that diminishing opportunity somehow abounds in the land of the vanishing middle class.
    In most cases, the poor ARE to blame for their own condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We agree on that, but it has nothing to do with the fact that not one Democratic candidate is campaigning on the idea that we have to abandon capitalism.
    Didn't say they were campaigning on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The fact that you prefer to categorize events this way indicates strong bias. Obama inherited a perilously shaky economy in shambles, and carefully nurtured it back to strong health. Most of the economic recovery from the Great Recession (which followed the terrible crash under GWB,) occurred during Obama's tenure. Bush drove the economy into the ditch. Obama got the economy back on the road, back up to speed, and ran the mud off the tires. Trump, of the party that ran the economy into the ditch, merely jumped into the driver's seat after everything was fine, spent some credit card money to go through the car wash, and proceeded to falsely take shining credit for the entire recovery. As the card balance balloons...
    The fact that you prefer to categorize events this way indicates strong bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    This position is based on facts. The facts are that Trump is both a sociopath and a conman. Trump is also a misogynist, a xenophobe, a racist, a cheat, a liar and a demagogue. This is not based on opinion. There is strong evidence to back up every single one of those very troubling assessments.
    Facts are not universal truths, nor are they proofs. Yes, you've espoused those views plenty of times before, but have not shown those claims to be true. Instead, he is guilty until proven innocent in your mind...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Averse racism is not blatant like overt racism. But it is still racism, none the less.
    There is no "averse" nor "overt" racism... just racism. It is a logical fallacy. It is objectively defined, using the definition that I have made reference to. It works the same for everybody.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It is more subtle, but the underlying message of specialized treatment because of race is clear.
    One can't "hide" racism. It's either there or it isn't. Did the person commit that logical fallacy or not? Who made you the "holy seer" who has the power to "sense" "hidden" "racism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Trump has never told a white person to go back where they came from.
    You know every interaction that Trump has ever had during his lifetime? Impressive!

    Trump never brought up race in his tweet. It is YOU who is obsessing over race. It is YOU who is being racist. Did you know that, under the definitions that the US Census makes use of, that two of those four congresswomen would be "white"? So, if you go by that, Trump has already told two white people to "go back where they came from"...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And this is part of a pattern of hurtful messages. It is as if an individual had wandered out of the black ghetto and into a posh white suburb, or country club, and has been accosted by a rich and powerful white guy, and then told to go back where they came from. That's the connotation. And it's hurtful. It is said to be specifically mean. Not a constructive thing to say. It is a shameful personal attack.
    Not at all. Read the actual tweet. It was not meant to be "mean" or "hurtful" or whatever else...

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    He [Bernie] he wants to do away with the Constitutional way of electing Presidents, as the Constitutional way of electing Senators was done away with. He doesn't like the US Constitution;
    There's your mistake. Advocating for an amendment to one item has been exaggerated into hating the entire Constitution, even though Bernie never said any such thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    he wants to fundamentally change America into a Socialist nation, into an Oligarchy where he is part of the ruling class.
    That's you projecting this message that Bernie wants to be in an "Oligarchy where he is part of the ruling class," but he never said any such thing. And here you go again, rewriting Bernie:

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The Constitution gets in Bernie's way; he doesn't like it. He constantly rails against capitalism and the "top 1%", even though he is now enjoying membership within that "1%".
    Which, of course, makes no sense. The reason it makes no sense is because it is not true. Now please show us the part of the Constitution that says we will have a solely capitalist economy and that it can't be an equitable balance of capitalism and socialism to promote the general welfare rather than the selective welfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    In most cases, the poor ARE to blame for their own condition.
    "In most cases, the poor ARE to blame for their own condition." - By being born into the wrong family, apparently. Sure, opportunity is there for unique individual cases. Just not enough for most poor. We can fix that with social engineering and good government to promote the general welfare and insure domestic tranquility. But we know those are meaningless words to conservatives who fight it with the zeal of greed and selfishness.

    The fact that Trump has never talked about any plan to help the poor shows the lack of empathy consistent with being a sociopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Conservative David Brooks Calls President Trump A Sociopath
    someone tell Mr Brooks about the word 'psychopath', he's both


    https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...h-difference#1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    So you get to decide? He is no more a conservative than Elizabeth Warren is an injun
    Liz is exactly the percentage of native American she claimed and proved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    So you get to decide?
    Show me where I claimed that??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Show me where I claimed that??
    Brooks is no conservative. Period

    End of story.

    That you like him is all I need to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Brooks is no conservative. Period

    End of story.

    That you like him is all I need to know
    Has nothing to do w/ me liking him or not... You need to stop lying in every post..........

    There are things I agree w/ him on & things I don't........... SHit heads like you, full of hate took over his party & it is no longer the gop, or very conservative, it is an extension of the small mind of a conMan..........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Has nothing to do w/ me liking him or not... You need to stop lying in every post..........

    There are things I agree w/ him on & things I don't........... SHit heads like you, full of hate took over his party & it is no longer the gop, or very conservative, it is an extension of the small mind of a conMan..........
    It is the same ole left trope. You love any "conservative" as long as they don't act conservative. Brooks supports all sorts of lefty positions. I don't care what he calls himself. Joe Underwood calls himself a conservative but he isn't. It is like Warren calling herself injun. She ain't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    I don't care what he calls himself
    now he don't care what he calls himself

    Can't make this shit up!!!

    Don, you need to go back to the more moderated section before you piss yourself again........
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    Dr. Lance Dodes, a Training and Supervising Analyst Emeritus with the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute:

    "Mr. Trump is a sociopath, in that he meets every diagnostic criterion for the official diagnostic term “Antisocial Personality Disorder.” The fact that this is a personality disorder, rather than simply a single symptom such as anxiety or depression, means that all his actions are signs of this severe, continuous, mental disturbance.

    To understand his actions, it is essential to keep in mind that sociopaths have only one goal: to enhance themselves, and that in pursuing their self-interest, they lack both normal human empathy for others and a normal human conscience. Cheating, conning, lying, stealing, threatening are all done with no remorse.

    When stressed with facts that would require them to admit failure, or even that others know more or are more capable than them, sociopaths lose track of reality, becoming delusional with insistence on the truth of what they psychologically need to maintain their superior view of themselves. Indeed, nobody matters except to the degree they can serve the sociopath’s personal needs.

    That’s why loyalty is demanded, but as soon as an associate disagrees, the sociopath turns on them with a fury; there was never a real relationship to begin with."

    Very disturbing
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    Dr. Lance Dodes, a Training and Supervising Analyst Emeritus with the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute:

    "Mr. Trump is a sociopath, in that he meets every diagnostic criterion for the official diagnostic term “Antisocial Personality Disorder.” The fact that this is a personality disorder, rather than simply a single symptom such as anxiety or depression, means that all his actions are signs of this severe, continuous, mental disturbance.

    To understand his actions, it is essential to keep in mind that sociopaths have only one goal: to enhance themselves, and that in pursuing their self-interest, they lack both normal human empathy for others and a normal human conscience. Cheating, conning, lying, stealing, threatening are all done with no remorse.

    When stressed with facts that would require them to admit failure, or even that others know more or are more capable than them, sociopaths lose track of reality, becoming delusional with insistence on the truth of what they psychologically need to maintain their superior view of themselves. Indeed, nobody matters except to the degree they can serve the sociopath’s personal needs.

    That’s why loyalty is demanded, but as soon as an associate disagrees, the sociopath turns on them with a fury; there was never a real relationship to begin with."

    Very disturbing
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    Four more years...then Ivanka.

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