Moral Marianne Williamson: End The $26 Billion In Subsidies To Fossil Fuel Industry.

[Bill]

Fact is Scandanavian people are not coming here. America is a big country with lots of jobs. That provides an opportunity for desperate people to better themselves and send money back home. They do not come here for medical care and safety nets. It is just poor country people who are coming here. The well off don't want to move to this shooting gallery. They wonder why we tolerate the wealth gap.

It isn't so simple...

There are ppl that come here LEGALLY from India as an example on h1 B visas & they have superior educations & are very intelligent tax paying.

(I wonder why Americans refuse to take these high paying jobs in Silicon Valley & Massachusetts??)

The story always goes that someone came from a shithole country & is now making jobs here~which is all true, but leave out the millions that did not..

The situation isn't simple..

Many of those ppl that come here w/ few if any skills are exploited to a shameful degree as there are industries that have developed on the fringes of our society specifically to prey upon them....

& yet they believe it is still better to live like that, than where they came...

The rich are not going to take care of those that need services?? Corporations certainly are not.....

Who is?? That answer aint so simple..........

[Into the Night]

Hello Celticguy,



Not at all. The powerful system which rewards the rich and holds the poor back will fight hard to maintain the status quo.



But not an insurmountable one.



I agree that measure would not do it alone. It needs to be part of a vast multi-faceted approach to end the legalized corruption of our government.



Actually, I believe it can happen. But it will surely never happen as long as people assume it can't. It is the belief that is the biggest hurdle. As soon as we understand that we can fix our nation, the details of actually doing it are nothing but a chore.

Capitalism doesn't hold anyone back.

[PostmodernProphet]

Marianne was on Fox News talking about not being one of the ten allowed to debate tonight.......it was a fun interview......I think I could be persuaded to support her being picked as the person to lose to Trump in 2020......

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

Well said..

Thank you ... Thank you very much ...

Probably & sadly falling on mostly deaf ears because you see, they, unlike the folks riding the bus to their three jobs, they earned it...

Oh, for sure. Been saying it for years. It never seems to move the needle. It's like it was never said. I'll say it and then have a conservative immediately argue that we don't want socialism to replace capitalism. Doesn't matter if I point out that we've had both mixed for decades and that hasn't happened yet - even back when America 'was great,' whenever that was, presumably in the 50's and early 60's.

Back in the day w/ almost free college, cheap rents, cheap gas & good union wages or wages partially lifted by them it was oh so tuff, even a kid w/ no education could get a decent gig, & his own apartment.....

I am so glad I am not starting out again. The work I've done in the past doesn't exist here any more. I found niches, seized opportunity, rode it out, saw it eliminated, found another niche, rode that out, saw it eliminated too. Realized it was all part of a big pattern by capitalism to eliminate labor costs as much as possible wherever possible. What that means is that if an adept individual seeks well-paying unique jobs, they will be short-lived and 'in the sights' of capitalism to be eliminated one way or another. They just don't cease. It used to be so easy to make it in this world. I just don't see that level of opportunity these days.

But they earned it

Times are different & the situation has changed, especially since they farmed out 60,000 factories to the communist party in red china & zillionares got tax breaks after tax breaks & corporations that don't even make anything here don't pay taxes either........

I sure did it my way while I could.

But hey. At least the rich got richer. What good that does is unclear. They were already the richest people in the nation, living in total luxury, pretty much anything they want, more money than they could spend. So now what? They have more to leave to their heirs? What good did that do them, again? And for the heirs? The need to make their own way has been removed. What's left? Greed to expand the family fortune? Well, we know how that works. Eliminate even more labor costs...

I've been thinking of starting a thread on H-2B visas. I watched a Frontline show the other night about the carnival business. It's not what it used to be either. They come to town, set up some rides, the locals go spend a few dollars, the kids get a sugar high and get whipped around on some rides, then they tear it all down and move on to another town. They used to have these people called "carnies." They would do all the work, running the rides, all the set up and tear down, etc. Not anymore. All that work is done by H-2B visa foreigners. Mexicans. They are earning way below minimum wage. But it's all legal. The rides still cost as much. The business owners are making more. No Americans do the work. The wages are sent back home, so they are not getting spent in the USA. It's a pipeline of wealth out of the USA and into Mexico as those American jobs are eliminated. But the American Chamber of Commerce has the nerve to argue it is good for the economy and does not take American jobs. Well, duh, those tasks used to be done by Americans but they aren't any more. How is it possible that did not eliminate American jobs? And the money the Americans used to earn doing that work got spent in the USA. Not so much any more. The workers wire it home instead.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

We already have federal funding of presidential nominations and elections. I haven't seen any difference in how the system operates.

I believe it would take a new Amendment regulating lobbying and dark money. It also has to overturn Citizens United.

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



Thank you ... Thank you very much ...



Oh, for sure. Been saying it for years. It never seems to move the needle. It's like it was never said. I'll say it and then have a conservative immediately argue that we don't want socialism to replace capitalism. Doesn't matter if I point out that we've had both mixed for decades and that hasn't happened yet - even back when America 'was great,' whenever that was, presumably in the 50's and early 60's.



I am so glad I am not starting out again. The work I've done in the past doesn't exist here any more. I found niches, seized opportunity, rode it out, saw it eliminated, found another niche, rode that out, saw it eliminated too. Realized it was all part of a big pattern by capitalism to eliminate labor costs as much as possible wherever possible. What that means is that if an adept individual seeks well-paying unique jobs, they will be short-lived and 'in the sights' of capitalism to be eliminated one way or another. They just don't cease. It used to be so easy to make it in this world. I just don't see that level of opportunity these days.



I sure did it my way while I could.

But hey. At least the rich got richer. What good that does is unclear. They were already the richest people in the nation, living in total luxury, pretty much anything they want, more money than they could spend. So now what? They have more to leave to their heirs? What good did that do them, again? And for the heirs? The need to make their own way has been removed. What's left? Greed to expand the family fortune? Well, we know how that works. Eliminate even more labor costs...

I've been thinking of starting a thread on H-2B visas. I watched a Frontline show the other night about the carnival business. It's not what it used to be either. They come to town, set up some rides, the locals go spend a few dollars, the kids get a sugar high and get whipped around on some rides, then they tear it all down and move on to another town. They used to have these people called "carnies." They would do all the work, running the rides, all the set up and tear down, etc. Not anymore. All that work is done by H-2B visa foreigners. Mexicans. They are earning way below minimum wage. But it's all legal. The rides still cost as much. The business owners are making more. No Americans do the work. The wages are sent back home, so they are not getting spent in the USA. It's a pipeline of wealth out of the USA and into Mexico as those American jobs are eliminated. But the American Chamber of Commerce has the nerve to argue it is good for the economy and does not take American jobs. Well, duh, those tasks used to be done by Americans but they aren't any more. How is it possible that did not eliminate American jobs? And the money the Americans used to earn doing that work got spent in the USA. Not so much any more. The workers wire it home instead.

Yes, prob happened to most of us.. I was working for a company in the 80's until they went out when china flooded the market.

The textile mills & furniture in places like NCarolina & upper mid-west all went out around the same time-in mass..

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill.

Yes, prob happened to most of us.. I was working for a company in the 80's until they went out when china flooded the market.

The textile mills & furniture in places like NCarolina & upper mid-west all went out around the same time-in mass..

I used to ride by a textile mill on a regular basis. The place had a very large asphalt parking lot. Grass is now growing up right through the pavement. They are going to have to start mowing the paved parking lot.

[Bill]

Hello Bill.



I used to ride by a textile mill on a regular basis. The place had a very large asphalt parking lot. Grass is now growing up right through the pavement. They are going to have to start mowing the paved parking lot.

Very sad, all those jobs went to china... nixon & kissinger put this all in motion & the rest played along.......

There would be winners & loser they said, the winners would be @ the top, & the losers @ the bottom, those that use to park in that lot....

Ross was right about that sucking sound..........

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

Very sad, all those jobs went to china... nixon & kissinger put this all in motion & the rest played along.......

There would be winners & loser they said, the winners would be @ the top, & the losers @ the bottom, those that use to park in that lot....

Ross was right about that sucking sound..........

Yup. Ross Perot was right. Spot on.

I'm proud to say I voted for him. Bill Clinton did a lot of good for the USA, but he also greased Wall Street. I still think we would have a stronger middle class right now if we had elected Perot.

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



Yup. Ross Perot was right. Spot on.

I'm proud to say I voted for him. Bill Clinton did a lot of good for the USA, but he also greased Wall Street. I still think we would have a stronger middle class right now if we had elected Perot.

I agree...

[countryboy]

America is badly in need of true moral leadership. President Trump has shown how divisive and hateful we can become when we abandon our morals.

Badly Needed Moral Leadership: Marianne Williamson: End The $26 Billion In Subsidies To Fossil Fuel Industry. Tax The Rich. Take Care Of People.

"First we need to pass a law—and most likely a constitutional amendment as well—for public funding of federal campaigns. (huge applause) Right now, the influence of corporate money on our governmental policy is the cancer underlying all other cancers. Then, we need a massive infusion of economic opportunity and hope into the lives of average Americans. We will get there by repealing the 2017, $2 trillion dollar tax cut that gave 83 cents of every dollar to the richest Americans and corporations. Then you stop subsidies such as—why did we pay $26 billion in subsidies to fossil fuel companies last year? Martin Luther King said: "If you give it to rich people they call it a subsidy. If you give it to poor people they call it a hand-out." Then, I agree with others that there should be a 3% tax on billionaires' assets and 2% on people with $50 million and more.

You do things like that, Trevor, and you've got some cash on hand. And then we do what we should be doing. We take care of people." (Another huge applause)

Marianne Williamson Is Guest Of Trever Noah (Start it at 0:36 to skip the Exxon Ad)

Noah says that Williamson's ideas are called dangerous and crazy. She responds:

"It is dangerous and crazy to NOT discuss the corrosive influence of big money on every aspect of our society."

"The average American is woefully under educated about racism in the United States."

"Slaves were promised 40 acres and a mule. They were freed but never got them. It is time to pay up to their qualified descendants. This is a moral issue. We paid between 20 and 22 thousand dollars to every Japanese American interred during World War II. Germany paid billions to Jews who survived the holocaust. It is time for the United States to make amends for our unmet obligations which have taken such a heavy toll on our society."

Noah: "Donald Trump didn't win by talking about the details, the nitty gritty. He won by talking about the idea of America. Is talking about the idea of America what you think people need to hear?"

Williamson: "It's the idea of leadership. It's the idea of what I think we need in a leader. Franklin Roosevelt said the administrative aspect of the office is secondary. He said the primary role of the Presidency is MORAL LEADERSHIP."

Well, THAT's pretty apparent from looking at the lack of moral leadership we have NOW.

The fossil fuel industry doesn't receive subsidies, stop lying.

[PoliTalker]

There is a reason I am drawn to this lady.

She just makes so much sense. Her words today:

"Many voters say “I just want someone who can win!”

I understand that, and it’s why I’m running. A politics of love is the BEST possible politics to defeat a politics of fear.

In 2016, people were angry. But that’s not the dominant emotional tenor of the American voter in 2019. Today, people are exhausted. They aren’t looking for a fight now; they’re looking for inspiration.

We need a candidate who can counter the president’s outrageously dangerous lies with outrageously exciting truths. His campaign in 2020 will be laced with fear, but mine will be stronger than his because it’s a politics laced with love.

What will win the presidency in 2020 is the ability to create a new political coalition—based not on people’s anger but on people’s conscience. Not on people’s rage, but on people’s desire to believe once again in the promise of America.

And we will give it to them.

We’ll make every school in America a palace of learning, culture, and the arts.

We'll make a just transition from a dirty economy to a clean economy, reversing climate change and leaving a healthier planet for our children.

We'll move from a war economy to a peace economy, and restore moral authority to American foreign policy.

We'll pay reparations for slavery and repair our relationship with Native Americans.

We'll massively infuse the life of the average American with economic hope and opportunity.

We'll establish a Department of Children and Youth, and a Department of Peace.

We'll provide universal health care.

We'll base every public policy on one core principle: that it should help people thrive. "

Too bad people can't just drop all their pretenses and LISTEN to her.