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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    In the last three years, Donald Trump has replaced Charles Darwin as troublemaker-in-chief in many white American churches. Scholars have offered sound theories as to the cause of this sharp divide, especially around issues of race and gender.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/20/opini...ass/index.html
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    As you all know, very few American 'Christians' worship anything but money. Land- grabbing, ethnic cleansing and slavery made for good returns for the scumbags who couldn't manage elsewhere, which is why those who could borrow the fare went. Good thing some decent people seem to have got there too - almost an argument for a good God!
    ^^Still stuck on moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    Maybe it's only exercised by that right hand lynching enforcement division of the church to complement the left hand Mafia tactics since Christiananality pedophilia business national religion comes as a holy trinity evidenced by the 21st century second coming of Christiananality Islamophobia pedophilia long life survival of the fittest fascists.....
    Or maybe you're just regurgitating bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    The white right wing church is a perverted form of Christianity, that is designed to indoctrinate the uncritical thinkers with right wing ideology.
    Racism. Bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Margot Frank View Post
    Must have boring life.
    We had a hell of a party that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Or maybe you're just regurgitating bullshit...
    More of that money talks & bullshit walks Nazi economics preying Catholic Church "serve the Pope or die" megalomaniacal diatribe crusade. Where else but in a Christian Nation would Papal contingents of thieving old glory presented by JFK for business excellence - old testament arsonists baptize thine eyes buy urinations have such arrogant condescending master race super egos lynching children for the assassination of JFK, despite being at the National Archives & SCOTUS; which obviously is little more than a supreme swastika up Uranus court business of pedophilia; especially after getting out of a hospital. Pairing that with their climax of a second coming master plan where those burning Bush's 9/11 Al Qaeda "death to the infidels" health care plan tautology more perfect union with Islam "death to the infidels" Islamophobia pedophilia certainly leaves no doubt as in fixing elections, despite not watching JFK's death nor even voting has given rise to a new master race Islamidiotocracy regurgitation tradition of American too dang lily brilliant white Christianity supremacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    More of that money talks & bullshit walks Nazi economics preying Catholic Church "serve the Pope or die" megalomaniacal diatribe crusade. Where else but in a Christian Nation would Papal contingents of thieving old glory presented by JFK for business excellence - old testament arsonists baptize thine eyes buy urinations have such arrogant condescending master race super egos lynching children for the assassination of JFK, despite being at the National Archives & SCOTUS; which obviously is little more than a supreme swastika up Uranus court business of pedophilia; especially after getting out of a hospital. Pairing that with their climax of a second coming master plan where those burning Bush's 9/11 Al Qaeda "death to the infidels" health care plan tautology more perfect union with Islam "death to the infidels" Islamophobia pedophilia certainly leaves no doubt as in fixing elections, despite not watching JFK's death nor even voting has given rise to a new master race Islamidiotocracy regurgitation tradition of American too dang lily brilliant white Christianity supremacy.
    More bullshit, diarrhea of the keyboard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by . View Post
    one of the best nights of my life.

    can't believe these pussies are a part of my generation. shame.
    I went to sleep at 10pm, paid no attention to the returns, woke up at 6am and opened up Drudge. That was a great morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    More bullshit, diarrhea of the keyboard...
    Take it up with those crooks on Capital Hill, D.C. since there's no equal justice under law & since they'd never implicate themselves you can still walk on water as 21st century song remains the same onward Islamophobia Christiananality Dalek soldiers of a not so white supremacy.....exterminate, exterminate, exterminate.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    Take it up with those crooks on Capital Hill, D.C. since there's no equal justice under law & since they'd never implicate themselves you can still walk on water as 21st century song remains the same onward Islamophobia Christiananality Dalek soldiers of a not so white supremacy.....exterminate, exterminate, exterminate.....
    Why would I act on bullshit from you lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Racism. Bigotry.
    With racism and bigotry, you got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    I recognize the traditional version of racism where whites put down people of color.
    Okay. I will assume that "people of color" is defined as anyone who is not white skinned, correct? Therefore, blacks, latinos, native americans, asians, etc. are all included in that term. Then, I will assume that the term "whites" covers anyone who is white skinned and typically of European descent (this excludes albinos and other abnormalities). Correct?

    If given the above, then I must ask if you are merely providing an example here, or if you are asserting that racism only goes in the direction of "whites towards people of color". Can it also go in the opposite direction of "people of color towards whites"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I do not recognize this new wave conservative version where those who call out the racism are somehow the racists. That seems completely backwards. It's like, whatever one party calls another party, then the second party just calls the first party the same thing without basis. Then the basis is 'created,' but it is false. Now, I am calling out that falsehood. That's where we are.
    Well, like I said earlier, simply noticing racism and calling it out is not being racist. However, if that action of "calling it out" requires the person who is "calling it out" to THEMSELVES construct a racist model and then project that racist model onto others, then it is that person who constructed the racist model who is being the racist, not the person who they are "calling out".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Yeah, that's the leap I am not making. It hinges on denying that original racism.
    No, it hinges on logic. My offered definition of racism shows the reasoning behind racism and why it is fallacious reasoning. Your offered definition ("original racism" as you are referring to it here) needs more clarification before I can directly comment on it, although you seem to be committing the racism fallacy within that very definition of racism, but I will allow for further clarification...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The form has changed, it has become a bit indirect, but we are not fooled.
    The form has stayed the same. Nothing has changed about the Compositional Error Fallacy. Logic is a closed functional system.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We know hatred and rejection of others when we see it.
    Hatred is not racism. Rejection of others is not racism, either. Both things might be contributing factors behind the intent to be racist, but they have nothing to do with racism in and of themselves.

    Your use of "others" here confuses me, given your definition of racism from above, which seemed to flow "one way only".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That is such a stretch it reminds me of Rosemary Woods.
    There is no "stretching". I am putting the 'racist' label onto whoever happens to be creating the racist model. It might be somebody who said something racist and is getting called out for it. It might also be somebody attempting to project their own racism onto others.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Except the article never said that.
    It did. The whole thing was chocked full of racism, as I explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    This ignores the mistake of telling an American to go back where they came from. Hello. They are Americans. They come from America now. They are where they belong. Telling them to go back to a place they originated before becoming Americans ignores the fact that they are Americans.
    That wasn't a mistake. He is aware that they are American citizens. He is making reference to the governments/economies of the countries which they (and/or their heritage) are from, and that if America is so horrible, that they should go back to those countries and "show us how it is done" instead of fundamentally trying to change America into those countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That ignorance is the racism.
    Ignorance is not racism. Also, your definition from above made no mention of ignorance. It only made reference to "whites put[ting] down people of color".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It is as if the statement refuses to recognize selected American citizens,
    That's not what the statement was about. Trump is fully aware that they are American citizens, and recognizes them as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    pretending they are something else, something less, something unwanted.
    Nope. That is your racist model that you are projecting onto Trump; that is not Trump's model.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It's hate-driven and it is race-driven. It's racism. It wouldn't be done to a white boy from Kansas.
    Again, that is YOUR model, not Trump's. You are the one being the racist here.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The President is the one calling for the separation between his whiteness and her blackness, calling for there to be national boundaries separating them. It's hurtful, and it is racism.
    Again, these are YOUR racist models that you have constructed. You are simply projecting them onto the President. YOU are being the racist here. The President made absolutely NO mention of separating his whiteness from her blackness, nor did he call for national boundaries to separate them. He was instead speaking of government types and economies.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    My position is completely logical. We simply base our logic on the different perceptions.
    Your position is rejecting logic. It is committing various logical fallacies (compositional errors, projections, redefinitions, ... ...)

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I feel like I am simply recognizing the facts, but you have a predetermined conclusion that you are molding 'alternative facts' to lead you to.
    There are no "the facts" or "alternative facts", just facts. And facts are not universal truths, nor are they proofs. Facts are simply 'shorthand predicate'. They are meant to speed up conversations so that arguments don't have to be formed for every little thing that is said. If a predicate is agreed upon, then it is a fact, whether or not the predicate is actually true.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I think that without the predetermined conclusion nobody would naturally arrive at the alternative facts required for your explanation.
    Again, no "alternative facts"... just logic. The Compositional Error Fallacy hasn't changed at all. Logic is a closed functional system. If the fallacy involves people as the class and a genetic trait as the property, then one is being racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Why would I act on bullshit from you lol?

    As if some compulsive Christiananality pedophilia mentality game of Klues Klucks duh Klans not so master race white supremacy to maintain this Christian Nation tradition of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballot arsonists master plan would even be accepted by those not so cross conditioned way beyond therapy still enduring every form of tyranny over the mind of man lynching enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    As if some compulsive Christiananality pedophilia mentality game of Klues Klucks duh Klans not so master race white supremacy to maintain this Christian Nation tradition of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballot arsonists master plan would even be accepted by those not so cross conditioned way beyond therapy still enduring every form of tyranny over the mind of man lynching enforcement.

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Okay. I will assume that "people of color" is defined as anyone who is not white skinned, correct? Therefore, blacks, latinos, native americans, asians, etc. are all included in that term. Then, I will assume that the term "whites" covers anyone who is white skinned and typically of European descent (this excludes albinos and other abnormalities). Correct?

    If given the above, then I must ask if you are merely providing an example here, or if you are asserting that racism only goes in the direction of "whites towards people of color". Can it also go in the opposite direction of "people of color towards whites"?
    Making no such assertions, but don't really see much racism going the other way. Here's why. People who have felt discriminated against know how ugly that feels so they tend to want to try to create a world where nobody has to feel that. Fair and equal treatment is the goal. They don't want to be as ugly as the perpetrators of the racism which has been directed at them. They desire to be free of the ugliness, not immersed in it from either side.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    There is no "stretching". I am putting the 'racist' label onto whoever happens to be creating the racist model. It might be somebody who said something racist and is getting called out for it. It might also be somebody attempting to project their own racism onto others.
    I see what is going on. It is an attempt to muddy up the waters of 'what is racism.' It won't work. Caring and compassionate people are going to call it out when it appears. The attempt to call the callers racist is the same as the younger sibling simply repeating everything the older one says. That never worked because it is thoughtless and ineffective. A desperation argument in the glaring lack of a good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    It wasn't a mistake. He is aware that they are American citizens. He is making reference to the governments/economies of the countries which they (and/or their heritage) are from, and that if America is so horrible, that they should go back to those countries and "show us how it is done" instead of fundamentally trying to change America into those countries.
    That was a dumb argument. It incorrectly assumes they are trying to turn America into those places, when no such desire has been expressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Ignorance is not racism. [But it can be] Also, your definition from above made no mention of ignorance. It only made reference to "whites put[ting] down people of color".
    The ignorance is the act of ignoring the fact that the referenced individuals are Americans. Perhaps that was an incorrect usage of the word. There is no word for the act of purposefully ignoring something, which is different from simply not knowing.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    You are the one being the racist here.
    And that is the point where you go full circle and simply call me what I am calling Trump, (without cause) because you really have no defense for Trump. I should be offended, but this wildly desperate fantasy is so off-base that I understand considerate people would never agree. It only weakens your argument to persist. It really is pathetic. And it is not appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Again, these are YOUR racist models that you have constructed.
    No, I am just going along with national sentiment. A recent poll indicates a majority now consider the president to be a racist.
    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

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