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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Goniff animated blonde, titillating & bouncy as if also Christiananality organized business that's only to be looked at & revered; or get learned the "serve the Pope or die" version of one nation under God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    I'm not interested in your racism nor your bigotry.

    Why are you so racist and bigoted?
    then don't answer the threads asshole


    do you have any idea just how stupid it is to rush to a thread to answer it only to claim you are NOT interested?


    jeeeeze these russo bot holes quality is falling fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello gfm7175,

    Making no such assertions, but don't really see much racism going the other way.
    The article linked in the OP was full of examples of "racism going the other way". Any race of person can be a racist... White, Black, Pacific Islander, you name it... Is your definition of racism "white people putting down people of color", or is it something else? Can you provide the precise definition you are using? I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind your labeling of someone as a 'racist'...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Here's why. People who have felt discriminated against know how ugly that feels so they tend to want to try to create a world where nobody has to feel that.
    Discrimination is not due to racism (in most cases). Any sort of 'age limit/requirement' or 'height limit/requirement' that is placed on something is a form of discrimination. Is that a bad thing? I'd say not. Sure, people who don't meet those requirements don't feel good at the time, but it is ultimately for their own good (safety). Plus, people need to feel bad sometimes because it helps them to distinguish good from bad. It helps them to gain knowledge of good and evil. Have I enjoyed my worst experiences?? Heck no... I'm still trying to break bad habits and mental blocks/effects which all stem from those bad experiences. But I am ultimately thankful for them, because they have given me insight into some true evils and have helped me to gain knowledge of good and evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Fair and equal treatment is the goal.
    Is 'equal' always a good thing? Would a 2yr old being able to ride in a a roller coaster at Six Flags just like a typical 20 year old be a good thing? Would allowing six 400+ pound fat asses to be able to ride inside of a small boat just like anybody half their weight (or more) be a good thing? Equality, as in "we are all humans, no matter our differing genetic traits", is a good thing. Equality, as I have described above, is not a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    They don't want to be as ugly as the perpetrators of the racism which has been directed at them. They desire to be free of the ugliness, not immersed in it from either side.
    Some victims wish to not inflict what they've experienced onto others... Other victims do.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I see what is going on. It is an attempt to muddy up the waters of 'what is racism.'
    No, that's what you have done by your redefinition of the term. My definition of the term is very specific and consistent, due to its grounding in logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It won't work. Caring and compassionate people are going to call it out when it appears.
    You can't call out what you can't consistently and specifically define.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The attempt to call the callers racist is the same as the younger sibling simply repeating everything the older one says. That never worked because it is thoughtless and ineffective. A desperation argument in the glaring lack of a good one.
    Nothing of the sort. It is simply making use of the same logically grounded definition. It is calling a racist whoever commits the compositional error fallacy (using people as the class and a genetic trait as the property). If the "caller" forms a racist model and then projects that model onto the person they are "calling out", then the "caller" is the racist, since the racist model belongs to and was constructed by the "caller". The "caller" is committing the racism fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That was a dumb argument. It incorrectly assumes they are trying to turn America into those places, when no such desire has been expressed.
    Wishing to enact laws/policies that those places have (such as socialism) is trying to turn America into those places...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The ignorance is the act of ignoring the fact that the referenced individuals are Americans. Perhaps that was an incorrect usage of the word. There is no word for the act of purposefully ignoring something, which is different from simply not knowing.
    I'm just trying to pinpoint down your definition of 'racism', since here you added in an ignorance factor which wasn't present in your original definition of "whites put[ting] down people of color".

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And that is the point where you go full circle and simply call me what I am calling Trump, (without cause) because you really have no defense for Trump. I should be offended, but this wildly desperate fantasy is so off-base that I understand considerate people would never agree. It only weakens your argument to persist. It really is pathetic. And it is not appreciated.
    It wasn't without cause. It is right in line with my post specifically explaining what racism is and why it is racism. Racism is a specific form of the compositional error fallacy. If the person screaming "you're a fucking racist!" is the person who is constructing the racist model (committing that specific form of the compositional error fallacy), then it is the screamer who is the racist, not the one who he is attempting to project his own racist model onto. The other person simply wasn't being racist to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    No, I am just going along with national sentiment. A recent poll indicates a majority now consider the president to be a racist.
    Appeal to Popularity Fallacy. False Authority Fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    Maybe it's only exercised by that right hand lynching enforcement division of the church to complement the left hand Mafia tactics since Christiananality pedophilia business national religion comes as a holy trinity evidenced by the 21st century second coming of Christiananality Islamophobia pedophilia long life survival of the fittest fascists.....
    are your posts generated by a computer gibberish writer....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    then don't answer the threads asshole


    do you have any idea just how stupid it is to rush to a thread to answer it only to claim you are NOT interested?


    jeeeeze these russo bot holes quality is falling fast
    I'm not interested in the promotion of nor engaging in racism/bigotry. I am, however, interested in turning on the little light bulb inside people's minds regarding this issue, so I replied to the OP and expanded upon my position when asked to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    That's about all I got out of his English-esque ramblings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    Goniff animated blonde, titillating & bouncy as if also Christiananality organized business that's only to be looked at & revered; or get learned the "serve the Pope or die" version of one nation under God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    That's about all I got out of his English-esque ramblings...
    I was like WTF...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    are your posts generated by a computer gibberish writer....
    Seems could reasonably expect computer generated denials reminiscent of those WW II Nazi war criminals these Catholics selective memories are. Leave it to their super egos of a not so master race lynching enforcement for a stolen vote from Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate cops where the accused doesn't even vote & hasn't since first 2 absentee voting ballots were stolen at university; but that doesn't stop their Christiananality pedophilia business from lynching the accused for 9/11 & then for the assassination of JFK in the same breath; being those Islamophobia pedophiles regardless of the accused not even aware of the Catholic Church "serve the Pope or die" cross is higher than the US flag national religion propaganda in being at the National Archives & SCOTUS the time of their megalomaniacal killing white nationalism wallowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    Seems could reasonably expect computer generated denials reminiscent of those WW II Nazi war criminals these Catholics selective memories are. Leave it to their super egos of a not so master race lynching enforcement for a stolen vote from Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate cops where the accused doesn't even vote & hasn't since first 2 absentee voting ballots were stolen at university; but that doesn't stop their Christiananality pedophilia business from lynching the accused for 9/11 & then for the assassination of JFK in the same breath; being those Islamophobia pedophiles regardless of the accused not even aware of the Catholic Church "serve the Pope or die" cross is higher than the US flag national religion propaganda in being at the National Archives & SCOTUS the time of their megalomaniacal killing white nationalism wallowing.
    seems like a clear "yes"....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Christian Complicity With Racism

    While many Christian traditions and other religions have varied and valuable narratives, Protestants, especially evangelicals, have written some of the most well-known narratives of racism in the United States. Other religious groups, such as white Catholics, have certainly contributed to racism, but the narrative that unfolds in the following pages focuses on Protestant churches. Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians all have a central, sometimes repressive, place in the story of race in America. No matter which faith tradition or denomination is at the forefront of discussion, racism extends across sectarian lines.

    In light of these definitions, it is accurate to say that many white people have been complicit with racism. Although there have been notable exceptions, and racial progress in this country could not have happened without allies across the color line, white people have historically had the power to construct a social caste system based on skin color, a system that placed people of African descent at the bottom.

    White men and women have used tools like money, politics, and terrorism to consolidate their power and protect their comfort at the expense of black people. Christians participated in this system of white supremacy—a concept that identifies white people and white culture as normal and superior

    https://www.evangelicalsforsocialact...licity-racism/
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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The article linked in the OP was full of examples of "racism going the other way". Any race of person can be a racist... White, Black, Pacific Islander, you name it... Is your definition of racism "white people putting down people of color", or is it something else? Can you provide the precise definition you are using? I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind your labeling of someone as a 'racist'...
    Nice try at putting words in my mouth but I did not define racism. Recall, this all began when I agreed with most of the nation that President Trump is a racist, and that it was a racist thing for him to say the 4 Congresswomen of color should go back where they came. That's my view. You disagree. You also have a penchant for giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. Your are in the minority on that. There is no point in playing semantics. I don't have a personal definition of racism. This definition from Webster is what I operate on: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Some victims wish to not inflict what they've experienced onto others... Other victims do.
    I think that happens in the movies more than in real life. Take Emma Gonzalez, for instance. Look at Gabby Giffords. Both of these women were victimized by senseless shootings. Have they advocated for or tried to exact revenge? No. Revenge is immature. They began movements to try to make sure that what happened to them does not happen to other people. Revenge might make for a good movie plot, but mature real life people understand that hurting others does not help them in any way. It just spreads more pain. It doesn't lessen it or make it go away.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    No, that's what you have done by your redefinition of the term. My definition of the term is very specific and consistent, due to its grounding in logic.
    I am sticking with the Webster definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Nothing of the sort. It is simply making use of the same logically grounded definition. It is calling a racist whoever commits the compositional error fallacy (using people as the class and a genetic trait as the property). If the "caller" forms a racist model and then projects that model onto the person they are "calling out", then the "caller" is the racist, since the racist model belongs to and was constructed by the "caller". The "caller" is committing the racism fallacy.
    That's the new right definition. We, the caring people of the world do not accept that.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Wishing to enact laws/policies that those places have (such as socialism) is trying to turn America into those places...
    That's a failed attempt to hold the 4 Congresswomen of color to words that you wrote, but they never actually said. I am properly rejecting that.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    I'm just trying to pinpoint down your definition of 'racism', since here you added in an ignorance factor which wasn't present in your original definition of "whites put[ting] down people of color".
    I never claimed that I have a unique definition of racism. The one in the dictionary suits me just fine. I would suggest just sticking with that, but I know that doesn't suit the new right penchant for redefining racism. I understand the right is quite famous for rewriting history, so it is not surprising that it is attempting to redefine racism. Anything but admit the President is a racist. btw, Trump is also a liar, a conman, a cheat, a misogynist, and a demagogue. He is very immature and has a short attention span. Trump is a sociopath. And he doesn't read books. He is not very good at vetting people or stories, either. Basically, he is a terrible President. And he is probably guilty of crimes. He probably would have been charged already if he were not President. You are free to support him in any way you like. That is your right. I oppose him and I am going to level any criticism I think applies. He is a racist.
    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    seems like a clear "yes"....
    How unfortunate for Catholic Church megalomaniacal to the victors go the spoils of writing history as far too late to whitewash it's mass murder in USA history. Looks like it'll be about time for another suicidal crusade of these super ego homicidal sociopsychopathic too dang lily brilliant white national religion farce with their cross conditioned way beyond therapy obsessive - compulsive avoidance - acceptance of anything other than the cross is higher than the flag godvernment of death.

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    Race slavery is like cancer - it spreads to the whole body given time. That's why American religion is so sick and why so may are still playing their grotesque gun games, whatever the cost in blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Race slavery is like cancer - it spreads to the whole body given time. That's why American religion is so sick and why so may are still playing their grotesque gun games, whatever the cost in blood.
    Just as that Catholic Church crusade of "serve the Pope or die" after their vile & disgusting "man is God" slavery tradition of baptize thine eyes by urinations lynching enforcement.

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