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    resident Donald Trump is threatening another round of China tariffs, this time 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion in Chinese goods that are not yet subject to punitive tariffs. The new tariffs should go into effect on September 1, barring a change of heart on the part of the president or some real action on the part of the Chinese.

    Trump’s aggressive push on tariffs has thrown the country’s expert class into a tizzy, with pundits predicting a severe shock to the American economy, blaming the trade war for every blip in stock prices, and warning of the potential for runaway inflation as consumers pay the price for Trump’s tariffs.

    Meanwhile the economy is employing record numbers of people, inflation is running well below the Fed’s target rate, and stock markets are slightly up since the beginning of the “trade war” in April. The data simply refuses to satisfy the pundits’ appetite for economic carnage.

    With the economy refusing to cooperate with their “gloom and doom” narrative, America’s pundits are now arguing that economic pressure is no way to get a trade deal from China. When a Chinese Communist Party newspaper tells them that “China will never give in to pressure,” they believe it.

    And who knows? Maybe they’re right.
    if China doesn’t give in to pressure, then its manufacturing base will continue moving to Vietnam and India. Less labor-intensive assembly work will move to Mexico, which has now displaced China as America’s top trade partner. China will lose its unique position at the center of global production networks, and with it much of its leverage over global politics.

    All of these trends are in America’s national interest. And Trump’s trade war benefits America’s allies, too. In fact, the only country in the world with an interest in China holding all the strings of global value chains is China. If the Chinese don't realize that, then they’re in for some real surprises as the trade war drags on.

    The United States, at worst, has not been affected by the trade war. Vietnam, India, and Mexico are clearly winning the war. Meanwhile the European Union will benefit from any improvements in Chinese economic practices that result from the trade war. Ditto post–Brexit Britain. The only one losing is China.

    If China were the poor, hapless victim of American aggression, then this might be troubling. But it is China that has been breaking the world’s trade rules for the last two decades, not the United States. And everyone agrees (even the Chinese) that China’s President Xi Jinping has been intent on leveraging China’s economic muscle into global political influence. When an expansionist totalitarian police state with no respect for the rule of law demands special concessions in the global trading system, then it’s hard to have much sympathy.

    Rarely has a country’s political class been so determined to undermine the success of their own government and promote instead an atmosphere of sensitivity toward the needs of its greatest geopolitical adversary. America’s pundits are absolutely correct to argue that China’s leaders want to “save face” by appearing not to lose the trade war. And they are just as absolutely wrong to argue that the United States should accommodate this desire.


    Everyone in the trade war debate seems to be forgetting that America had a deal: back in April, before the trade war turned from cold to hot, the United States and China reached a broad agreement on “forced technology transfer and cyber theft, intellectual property rights, services, currency, agriculture and non-tariff barriers to trade.” China apparently agreed to the deal, but refused to agree to any enforcement mechanisms. That’s what happens when China’s leaders try to “save face”: they agree to a deal that is, in reality, no deal at all.

    Trump’s tariffs are intended to bring China back to the negotiating table. If he fails, then China will suffer. That’s not in China’s national interest, but China is run by a self-appointed clique that routinely puts its own interests ahead of the country’s interests. What Trump should pursue is the American national interest, and that means doubling down on the trade war. If 1989 was the historical moment to squeeze the Soviet Union, then 2019 is the historical moment to squeeze China. Trump is right not to let that moment pass without a deal.
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...rade-war-71561

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    resident Donald Trump is threatening another round of China tariffs, this time 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion in Chinese goods that are not yet subject to punitive tariffs. The new tariffs should go into effect on September 1, barring a change of heart on the part of the president or some real action on the part of the Chinese.

    Trump’s aggressive push on tariffs has thrown the country’s expert class into a tizzy, with pundits predicting a severe shock to the American economy, blaming the trade war for every blip in stock prices, and warning of the potential for runaway inflation as consumers pay the price for Trump’s tariffs.

    Meanwhile the economy is employing record numbers of people, inflation is running well below the Fed’s target rate, and stock markets are slightly up since the beginning of the “trade war” in April. The data simply refuses to satisfy the pundits’ appetite for economic carnage.

    With the economy refusing to cooperate with their “gloom and doom” narrative, America’s pundits are now arguing that economic pressure is no way to get a trade deal from China. When a Chinese Communist Party newspaper tells them that “China will never give in to pressure,” they believe it.

    And who knows? Maybe they’re right.
    if China doesn’t give in to pressure, then its manufacturing base will continue moving to Vietnam and India. Less labor-intensive assembly work will move to Mexico, which has now displaced China as America’s top trade partner. China will lose its unique position at the center of global production networks, and with it much of its leverage over global politics.

    All of these trends are in America’s national interest. And Trump’s trade war benefits America’s allies, too. In fact, the only country in the world with an interest in China holding all the strings of global value chains is China. If the Chinese don't realize that, then they’re in for some real surprises as the trade war drags on.

    The United States, at worst, has not been affected by the trade war. Vietnam, India, and Mexico are clearly winning the war. Meanwhile the European Union will benefit from any improvements in Chinese economic practices that result from the trade war. Ditto post–Brexit Britain. The only one losing is China.

    If China were the poor, hapless victim of American aggression, then this might be troubling. But it is China that has been breaking the world’s trade rules for the last two decades, not the United States. And everyone agrees (even the Chinese) that China’s President Xi Jinping has been intent on leveraging China’s economic muscle into global political influence. When an expansionist totalitarian police state with no respect for the rule of law demands special concessions in the global trading system, then it’s hard to have much sympathy.

    Rarely has a country’s political class been so determined to undermine the success of their own government and promote instead an atmosphere of sensitivity toward the needs of its greatest geopolitical adversary. America’s pundits are absolutely correct to argue that China’s leaders want to “save face” by appearing not to lose the trade war. And they are just as absolutely wrong to argue that the United States should accommodate this desire.


    Everyone in the trade war debate seems to be forgetting that America had a deal: back in April, before the trade war turned from cold to hot, the United States and China reached a broad agreement on “forced technology transfer and cyber theft, intellectual property rights, services, currency, agriculture and non-tariff barriers to trade.” China apparently agreed to the deal, but refused to agree to any enforcement mechanisms. That’s what happens when China’s leaders try to “save face”: they agree to a deal that is, in reality, no deal at all.

    Trump’s tariffs are intended to bring China back to the negotiating table. If he fails, then China will suffer. That’s not in China’s national interest, but China is run by a self-appointed clique that routinely puts its own interests ahead of the country’s interests. What Trump should pursue is the American national interest, and that means doubling down on the trade war. If 1989 was the historical moment to squeeze the Soviet Union, then 2019 is the historical moment to squeeze China. Trump is right not to let that moment pass without a deal.
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...rade-war-71561
    Trump is going to be up for re-election, and Xi Jinping is not, so bombastic Trump needs to watch his steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    resident Donald Trump is threatening another round of China tariffs, this time 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion in Chinese goods that are not yet subject to punitive tariffs. The new tariffs should go into effect on September 1, barring a change of heart on the part of the president or some real action on the part of the Chinese.

    Trump’s aggressive push on tariffs has thrown the country’s expert class into a tizzy, with pundits predicting a severe shock to the American economy, blaming the trade war for every blip in stock prices, and warning of the potential for runaway inflation as consumers pay the price for Trump’s tariffs.

    Meanwhile the economy is employing record numbers of people, inflation is running well below the Fed’s target rate, and stock markets are slightly up since the beginning of the “trade war” in April. The data simply refuses to satisfy the pundits’ appetite for economic carnage.

    With the economy refusing to cooperate with their “gloom and doom” narrative, America’s pundits are now arguing that economic pressure is no way to get a trade deal from China. When a Chinese Communist Party newspaper tells them that “China will never give in to pressure,” they believe it.

    And who knows? Maybe they’re right.
    if China doesn’t give in to pressure, then its manufacturing base will continue moving to Vietnam and India. Less labor-intensive assembly work will move to Mexico, which has now displaced China as America’s top trade partner. China will lose its unique position at the center of global production networks, and with it much of its leverage over global politics.

    All of these trends are in America’s national interest. And Trump’s trade war benefits America’s allies, too. In fact, the only country in the world with an interest in China holding all the strings of global value chains is China. If the Chinese don't realize that, then they’re in for some real surprises as the trade war drags on.

    The United States, at worst, has not been affected by the trade war. Vietnam, India, and Mexico are clearly winning the war. Meanwhile the European Union will benefit from any improvements in Chinese economic practices that result from the trade war. Ditto post–Brexit Britain. The only one losing is China.

    If China were the poor, hapless victim of American aggression, then this might be troubling. But it is China that has been breaking the world’s trade rules for the last two decades, not the United States. And everyone agrees (even the Chinese) that China’s President Xi Jinping has been intent on leveraging China’s economic muscle into global political influence. When an expansionist totalitarian police state with no respect for the rule of law demands special concessions in the global trading system, then it’s hard to have much sympathy.

    Rarely has a country’s political class been so determined to undermine the success of their own government and promote instead an atmosphere of sensitivity toward the needs of its greatest geopolitical adversary. America’s pundits are absolutely correct to argue that China’s leaders want to “save face” by appearing not to lose the trade war. And they are just as absolutely wrong to argue that the United States should accommodate this desire.


    Everyone in the trade war debate seems to be forgetting that America had a deal: back in April, before the trade war turned from cold to hot, the United States and China reached a broad agreement on “forced technology transfer and cyber theft, intellectual property rights, services, currency, agriculture and non-tariff barriers to trade.” China apparently agreed to the deal, but refused to agree to any enforcement mechanisms. That’s what happens when China’s leaders try to “save face”: they agree to a deal that is, in reality, no deal at all.

    Trump’s tariffs are intended to bring China back to the negotiating table. If he fails, then China will suffer. That’s not in China’s national interest, but China is run by a self-appointed clique that routinely puts its own interests ahead of the country’s interests. What Trump should pursue is the American national interest, and that means doubling down on the trade war. If 1989 was the historical moment to squeeze the Soviet Union, then 2019 is the historical moment to squeeze China. Trump is right not to let that moment pass without a deal.
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...rade-war-71561
    Awesome. Trump's tariffs are hurting farmers. Hopefully this will cause some of those rural Conservatives to wake up and realize Trump doesn't care about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Awesome. Trump's tariffs are hurting farmers. Hopefully this will cause some of those rural Conservatives to wake up and realize Trump doesn't care about them.
    so you completely miss the entire OP about pressures on China...typical of you

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    If China doesn’t give in to pressure, then its manufacturing base will continue moving to Vietnam and India.
    Less labor-intensive assembly work will move to Mexico, which has now displaced China as America’s top trade partner.
    China will lose its unique position at the center of global production networks, and with it much of its leverage over global politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Trump is going to be up for re-election, and Xi Jinping is not, so bombastic Trump needs to watch his steps.
    True enough. Did China ever end up giving Xi a 10-year office limit?
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    Yesterday, China’s central bank allowed the Yuan to weaken to more than 7 RMB per dollar. CNBC nicely describes the significance of this:

    The Chinese authorities have not let the currency weaken past the 7 yuan-per-dollar threshold since the global financial crisis. In fact, they have in previous years — such as in 2016 — burned a substantial portion of their foreign reserves to defend the currency from breaching that mark.

    It’s for that reason that currency experts have long viewed that mark as a psychological important level. Breaching 7 yuan per dollar is a crucial development partly because investors don’t know how much more weakness the PBOC [People’s Bank of China] is willing to tolerate, so they could sell their investments in China to curb losses — and thereby trigger significant capital outflows from the country.
    3. The Chinese government also yesterday instructed Chinese state-owned companies to stop buying U.S. agricultural products. This will likely mean non state-owned Chinese companies will greatly reduce their buying of ag products from the United States as well.
    4. The United States Treasury then labeled China a “currency manipulator.” The last time Treasury designated any country as a currency manipulator was in the early 1990s, when China was named. Labelling China as a currency manipulator means the U.S. will likely lead to the United States requesting the International Monetary Fund (IMF) take steps to curb any unfair competitive advantages created by China’s currency manipulation.
    What will the results be from all of the above and what should your company do about it?
    This post will address the anticipated results. Tomorrow’s post will lay out what you should do about it.

    I predict the following over the next few months:

    1. The 10% List 4 tariffs will go into effect on September 1.
    2. There is about a 50-50 chance most (if not all) tariffs against China will rise from 10% to 25% within the next couple of months.
    3. China will stop buying U.S. agricultural products directly from the United States, but I expect it will continue to receive large quantities of US ag products via third countries. China is very concerned about food inflation and though it will do what it can to stop buying US ag products, I do not see those purchases truly ending. If China switches from buying X ag product from the United States and starts buying X ag product from Brazil, we should expect Y country that was buying X ag product from Brazil to start buying more X ag product from the United States.
    4. The RMB will slowly weaken, but I doubt it will go as high as 7.5 RMB per dollar within the next six months. I do not see this weakening of the RMB as a big deal for the United States — if anything, it will reduce the price of products purchased from China. See Who Pays the Tariffs on China Imports? President Trump vs. CNN and What YOU Can do NOW to Reduce Your China Prices.
    5. I do not see the IMF penalizing China for currency manipulation and if it does, I do not see those penalties as moving the needle on anything.
    6. China will retaliate against the United States in any way it can while remain very wary of damaging its own economy in doing so. China will reduce its purchases of goods from the United States. China will favor domestic companies (and perhaps companies from other countries as well) over U.S. companies. China will step up the enforcement of its laws as against foreign — especially U.S. — companies. See How to Do Business in China Without Going to Prison and The Five Keys to China Company Compliance. Though this new wave of tightening enforcement is tougher than any that proceeds it, smart, well-run U.S. companies will survive it.

    7. Companies (U.S. and otherwise) that manufacture their products in China for export to the United States will continue to move their manufacturing out of China, if they can. See How to Move Your Manufacturing from China AND Protect Your IP.

    8. Most economists will continue to insist that the trade war will end soon because it is bad for the economies of China and the United States and the rest of the world. Those whose livelihoods depend entirely on China will make the same prediction. My law firm’s international lawyers will continue to insist there is no resolution in sight. See When Will the US-China Trade War End? It’s the New Normal. ‘
    https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/08...hats-next.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    True enough. Did China ever end up giving Xi a 10-year office limit?
    He has to contend not just with a slowing economy but also a protracted trade war with the United States that has entered a new confrontational phase with President Trump’s decision to impose more tariffs next month.

    He is facing escalating Western criticism of Chinese policies toward ethnic Uighurs in Xin*jiang, where as many as 3 million people have been put into reeducation camps. He is dealing with an increasingly assertive Taiwan at the same time a pro-democracy movement swells in Hong Kong.

    All of these loom as dangers to Xi’s authority as the party’s general secretary and are heightening a sense of alarm within a party long fearful of external threats.

    “A strong party is the key to a successful China, in Xi’s eyes. It is also the only way to fend off enemies abroad, most notably the U.S.,” said Richard McGregor, an expert on the party and the author of a new book about Xi’s leadership.

    Xi is trying to harden the party’s internal resolve to fend off these threats — most acutely, a United States that many observers say seems intent on containing China.

    “Xi has a legion of internal critics, including over his handling of relations with Washington,” McGregor said. “One way to bring them to heel is by demanding fealty and loyalty to the party, and by extension, to himself.”

    Since taking power, Xi has rewritten the party’s rules — including ending term limits, setting himself up to be leader indefinitely — and launched huge study campaigns to instill his personal ideology across society, starting with toddlers, through schools and universities and through the Central Committee Party School in Beijing. The party has developed an app through which Chinese can study “Xi Jinping Thought.”

    Making the situation even more delicate, the party is now entering a sensitive period.

    This month, party leaders both current and retired will repair to the beach resort of Beidaihe, about 200 miles east of Beijing, for their annual policy conclave. It was a ritual first begun by Mao Zedong in the 1950s.

    The meeting is highly secretive — the state media don’t announce that it has begun or that it has ended, let alone what is discussed — and last summer, Beijing was awash with speculation that party elders had taken Xi to task for mismanaging the trade war.

    This year, Trump’s threat to impose tariffs of 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion of untaxed Chinese exports to the U.S. could provide Xi with more cover, said Bill Bishop, publisher of the widely read Sinocism newsletter.

    “It should be an easy argument to make that no one can manage Trump and so those trying to blame Xi have other, ulterior motives, and that even if China agrees to humiliating concessions there is no guarantee the U.S. side will keep its word,” Bishop wrote this week

    The other key event that is concerning party leaders is the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China, which Xi plans to mark in October with a massive military parade.

    With the anniversary drawing near, Chinese television regulators this past week ordered all soap operas and costume dramas off the air for the 100 days leading up to National Day on Oct. 3, replacing them instead with patriotic shows that engender love for the motherland.

    The airwaves with be filled for the next two months with dramas like “Spy Hunter,” a thriller about young Communist agents sacrificing themselves to protect the motherland and fight for peace in 1931. Then there’s “Barley Fragrance,” set in a southern village in the decades after economic reforms began, which tells the story of a veteran soldier and his selfless wife leading villagers to cast off poverty and rejuvenate the local economy.

    China’s leaders have intensively studied the collapse of the Soviet Union — Xi even had top officials watch a four-part documentary about it soon after he came into office — and concluded that Mikhail Gorbachev made a strategic error by opting to liberalize rather than tighten political controls.

    The Arab Spring, in which popular revolts forced Middle Eastern dictators from power, added weight to the view in Beijing that it must clamp down and not loosen up. Chinese leaders have been watching events in Venezuela, where the United States has tried to help Juan Guaidó oust authoritarian president Nicolás Maduro.

    Pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong this summer and Washington’s recent accommodation of Taiwan — notably through renewed arms sales and allowing the democratically ruled island’s president to visit the United States — have only heightened the party’s fears.


    Because of this sense of insecurity, party leaders view the Trump administration’s declaration of a trade war not as a purely economic matter but as a broader, strategic effort to contain China, according to people familiar with the leadership’s thinking. China’s economy registered its slowest annual growth in 27 years in the second quarter.

    the United States looks at the development and wealth in Chinese cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, and at Chinese technology companies like Alibaba and Huawei, and sees an increasingly powerful economic player.

    But Beijing doesn’t look at the situation only through the lens of the past few decades, the academic said. It looks at it from the perspective of the past few centuries.

    “China can’t back down anymore. If you read the editorials, you see that China is determined,” he said, referring to the strident commentary in state media.

    “I think some would even compare it with the unequal treaties of 100 years ago,” he continued, harking back to the British victory in the Opium Wars of the 19th century and the occupations of the early 20th century.

    With these old humiliations still raw, party leaders are trying to fuel an inner resolve as the anniversary of the foundation of the People’s Republic of China nears but a deal to resolve the trade war does not.
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    True enough. Did China ever end up giving Xi a 10-year office limit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    He has to contend not just with a slowing economy but also a protracted trade war with the United States that has entered a new confrontational phase with President Trump’s decision to impose more tariffs next month.

    He is facing escalating Western criticism of Chinese policies toward ethnic Uighurs in Xin*jiang, where as many as 3 million people have been put into reeducation camps. He is dealing with an increasingly assertive Taiwan at the same time a pro-democracy movement swells in Hong Kong.

    All of these loom as dangers to Xi’s authority as the party’s general secretary and are heightening a sense of alarm within a party long fearful of external threats.

    “A strong party is the key to a successful China, in Xi’s eyes. It is also the only way to fend off enemies abroad, most notably the U.S.,” said Richard McGregor, an expert on the party and the author of a new book about Xi’s leadership.

    Xi is trying to harden the party’s internal resolve to fend off these threats — most acutely, a United States that many observers say seems intent on containing China.

    “Xi has a legion of internal critics, including over his handling of relations with Washington,” McGregor said. “One way to bring them to heel is by demanding fealty and loyalty to the party, and by extension, to himself.”

    Since taking power, Xi has rewritten the party’s rules — including ending term limits, setting himself up to be leader indefinitely — and launched huge study campaigns to instill his personal ideology across society, starting with toddlers, through schools and universities and through the Central Committee Party School in Beijing. The party has developed an app through which Chinese can study “Xi Jinping Thought.”

    Making the situation even more delicate, the party is now entering a sensitive period.

    This month, party leaders both current and retired will repair to the beach resort of Beidaihe, about 200 miles east of Beijing, for their annual policy conclave. It was a ritual first begun by Mao Zedong in the 1950s.

    The meeting is highly secretive — the state media don’t announce that it has begun or that it has ended, let alone what is discussed — and last summer, Beijing was awash with speculation that party elders had taken Xi to task for mismanaging the trade war.

    This year, Trump’s threat to impose tariffs of 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion of untaxed Chinese exports to the U.S. could provide Xi with more cover, said Bill Bishop, publisher of the widely read Sinocism newsletter.

    “It should be an easy argument to make that no one can manage Trump and so those trying to blame Xi have other, ulterior motives, and that even if China agrees to humiliating concessions there is no guarantee the U.S. side will keep its word,” Bishop wrote this week

    The other key event that is concerning party leaders is the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China, which Xi plans to mark in October with a massive military parade.

    With the anniversary drawing near, Chinese television regulators this past week ordered all soap operas and costume dramas off the air for the 100 days leading up to National Day on Oct. 3, replacing them instead with patriotic shows that engender love for the motherland.

    The airwaves with be filled for the next two months with dramas like “Spy Hunter,” a thriller about young Communist agents sacrificing themselves to protect the motherland and fight for peace in 1931. Then there’s “Barley Fragrance,” set in a southern village in the decades after economic reforms began, which tells the story of a veteran soldier and his selfless wife leading villagers to cast off poverty and rejuvenate the local economy.

    China’s leaders have intensively studied the collapse of the Soviet Union — Xi even had top officials watch a four-part documentary about it soon after he came into office — and concluded that Mikhail Gorbachev made a strategic error by opting to liberalize rather than tighten political controls.

    The Arab Spring, in which popular revolts forced Middle Eastern dictators from power, added weight to the view in Beijing that it must clamp down and not loosen up. Chinese leaders have been watching events in Venezuela, where the United States has tried to help Juan Guaidó oust authoritarian president Nicolás Maduro.

    Pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong this summer and Washington’s recent accommodation of Taiwan — notably through renewed arms sales and allowing the democratically ruled island’s president to visit the United States — have only heightened the party’s fears.


    Because of this sense of insecurity, party leaders view the Trump administration’s declaration of a trade war not as a purely economic matter but as a broader, strategic effort to contain China, according to people familiar with the leadership’s thinking. China’s economy registered its slowest annual growth in 27 years in the second quarter.

    the United States looks at the development and wealth in Chinese cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, and at Chinese technology companies like Alibaba and Huawei, and sees an increasingly powerful economic player.

    But Beijing doesn’t look at the situation only through the lens of the past few decades, the academic said. It looks at it from the perspective of the past few centuries.

    “China can’t back down anymore. If you read the editorials, you see that China is determined,” he said, referring to the strident commentary in state media.

    “I think some would even compare it with the unequal treaties of 100 years ago,” he continued, harking back to the British victory in the Opium Wars of the 19th century and the occupations of the early 20th century.

    With these old humiliations still raw, party leaders are trying to fuel an inner resolve as the anniversary of the foundation of the People’s Republic of China nears but a deal to resolve the trade war does not.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=on
    Sorry, missed that, I was only scanning the highlighted while I was working. So he managed to skip from 2 years to infinity. I think it
    was last year they were working on making it 10 years......now it's forever! Good grief. Thanks.
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    Are you going to the next Trump Rally, and have you got your ticket????
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/
    I live in The Plywood State, not N.H.
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    Awesome. Trump's tariffs are hurting farmers. Hopefully this will cause some of those rural Conservatives to wake up and realize Trump doesn't care about them.
    A lot of them have realized they made a mistake.



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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    resident Donald Trump is threatening another round of China tariffs, this time 10 percent on the remaining $300 billion in Chinese goods that are not yet subject to punitive tariffs. The new tariffs should go into effect on September 1, barring a change of heart on the part of the president or some real action on the part of the Chinese.

    Trump’s aggressive push on tariffs has thrown the country’s expert class into a tizzy, with pundits predicting a severe shock to the American economy, blaming the trade war for every blip in stock prices, and warning of the potential for runaway inflation as consumers pay the price for Trump’s tariffs.

    Meanwhile the economy is employing record numbers of people, inflation is running well below the Fed’s target rate, and stock markets are slightly up since the beginning of the “trade war” in April. The data simply refuses to satisfy the pundits’ appetite for economic carnage.

    With the economy refusing to cooperate with their “gloom and doom” narrative, America’s pundits are now arguing that economic pressure is no way to get a trade deal from China. When a Chinese Communist Party newspaper tells them that “China will never give in to pressure,” they believe it.

    And who knows? Maybe they’re right.
    if China doesn’t give in to pressure, then its manufacturing base will continue moving to Vietnam and India. Less labor-intensive assembly work will move to Mexico, which has now displaced China as America’s top trade partner. China will lose its unique position at the center of global production networks, and with it much of its leverage over global politics.

    All of these trends are in America’s national interest. And Trump’s trade war benefits America’s allies, too. In fact, the only country in the world with an interest in China holding all the strings of global value chains is China. If the Chinese don't realize that, then they’re in for some real surprises as the trade war drags on.

    The United States, at worst, has not been affected by the trade war. Vietnam, India, and Mexico are clearly winning the war. Meanwhile the European Union will benefit from any improvements in Chinese economic practices that result from the trade war. Ditto post–Brexit Britain. The only one losing is China.

    If China were the poor, hapless victim of American aggression, then this might be troubling. But it is China that has been breaking the world’s trade rules for the last two decades, not the United States. And everyone agrees (even the Chinese) that China’s President Xi Jinping has been intent on leveraging China’s economic muscle into global political influence. When an expansionist totalitarian police state with no respect for the rule of law demands special concessions in the global trading system, then it’s hard to have much sympathy.

    Rarely has a country’s political class been so determined to undermine the success of their own government and promote instead an atmosphere of sensitivity toward the needs of its greatest geopolitical adversary. America’s pundits are absolutely correct to argue that China’s leaders want to “save face” by appearing not to lose the trade war. And they are just as absolutely wrong to argue that the United States should accommodate this desire.


    Everyone in the trade war debate seems to be forgetting that America had a deal: back in April, before the trade war turned from cold to hot, the United States and China reached a broad agreement on “forced technology transfer and cyber theft, intellectual property rights, services, currency, agriculture and non-tariff barriers to trade.” China apparently agreed to the deal, but refused to agree to any enforcement mechanisms. That’s what happens when China’s leaders try to “save face”: they agree to a deal that is, in reality, no deal at all.

    Trump’s tariffs are intended to bring China back to the negotiating table. If he fails, then China will suffer. That’s not in China’s national interest, but China is run by a self-appointed clique that routinely puts its own interests ahead of the country’s interests. What Trump should pursue is the American national interest, and that means doubling down on the trade war. If 1989 was the historical moment to squeeze the Soviet Union, then 2019 is the historical moment to squeeze China. Trump is right not to let that moment pass without a deal.
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...rade-war-71561
    Says american have not been effected, fake news, bull shit, was the taxes taken from Americans a gift??

    Talk about the pain to China, who cares, what is the gain for the USA??

    We still have to pay more, still forced transfers, copyright ripoffs china spying blah blah blah..............

    Kim is still firing missiles & mexico still hasn't paid for the wall......

    One trick phony, raise taxes on American consumers or else-fucking genius my ass.....
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Says american have not been effected, fake news, bull shit, was the taxes taken from Americans a gift??

    Talk about the pain to China, who cares, what is the gain for the USA??

    We still have to pay more, still forced transfers, copyright ripoffs china spying blah blah blah..............

    Kim is still firing missiles & mexico still hasn't paid for the wall......

    One trick phony, raise taxes on American consumers or else-fucking genius my ass.....
    Translation of this stupidity: Blah, blah, CRY, blah, blah, CRY, blah, blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Says american have not been effected, fake news, bull shit, was the taxes taken from Americans a gift??

    Talk about the pain to China, who cares, what is the gain for the USA??

    We still have to pay more, still forced transfers, copyright ripoffs china spying blah blah blah..............

    Kim is still firing missiles & mexico still hasn't paid for the wall......

    One trick phony, raise taxes on American consumers or else-fucking genius my ass.....
    man you continue to remain ignorant on this whole process.

    1. Chinese exporters pay tariffs. The 10% has NOT CAUSED INFLATION,and the ECONOMY continues to BOOM

    2. Threatened tariff got Mexico to ACT -and send troops to their border - reducing econoomic migration by about a 1/3.
    What have the Dems done to help with the border crisis? absolutely nothing -even blocking the wall where they can

    3- the "pains to China" show the strategy is sound. You can't blame Trump for China reneging on it's previous negotiation.
    But in the meantime China is going to lose it's supply chain fulfillment, and it's economy is slowing even as it uses up all it's cash reserves to stimulus growth, and the currency manipulation means more penalties kick in

    4 they have dropped the requirement for forced joint venture technology transfers - when this thing is over you can be sure that will end.
    More problematic is their espionage. And the IPRights theft is part of the negotiations

    5 Kim is firing short-range rockets into the sea..nobody cares.
    China is propping up their economy -more malign behaviors
    ~~

    so what do you want to do? rollover and play dead and let China's "Made in 2025" happen by our acquiescence?
    Or do you want to take this opportunity -it won't happen again- and crush their malign behaviors,as well as get some free trade going?
    Trump isn't Obama -apologizing for the US -he's acting on America First and advocating such by all his policies

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