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Thread: Report; More than 1,200 children in US killed by guns in the last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Have a go at demonstrating this nonsense.
    You don't care about determining what the root causes are, or doing anything about the behavior. Your entire focus is on guns. As I've said before, if we could get rid of all of the guns, we'd still have the behavior to deal with, and, most likely, just as many or more would die. But if we could do something about the behavior, the guns wouldn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    You don't care about determining what the root causes are, or doing anything about the behavior. Your entire focus is on guns. As I've said before, if we could get rid of all of the guns, we'd still have the behavior to deal with, and, most likely, just as many or more would die. But if we could do something about the behavior, the guns wouldn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    If you had your arms chopped off you wouldn't be able to punch anybody. True, you might still be aggressive in other ways - but your behavior would be curtailed.

    What have you got to say to the 1200 bereaved families ?
    Typical stupid comment. Chopping off someone's arms would leave them almost completely helpless. Taking guns away, just removes one means, without doing anything about the problem of the behavior. There are plenty of alternate means. So, at best, you'll only slow him down a bit. And several of the alternate means are even more deadly.i would say "I'm sorry, but we can't actually do anything about what happened to your children because of the rampant paranoia about guns. If sanity ever returns, then we can try to do something that might actually help. "

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    Well- off you go and enjoy head-butting your victims in the mall. Ta-ta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    None of them had any real problems with guns before they had any gun control laws. Countries that had such problems only got worse after imposing such laws. You still can't point to a single gun control law that has ever been demonstrated to have made things better.

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    Hello rjhenn,

    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    What drop in the suicide rate? The figures I saw only showed an increase in the suicide rate.
    Well then maybe you can poke around and learn if these stats were cherry-picked and not actually representative:

    "In Indiana, the study found a 7.5 percent reduction in firearm suicides in the decade following the red flag law’s enactment. The link was less pronounced in Connecticut, at least initially. Gun suicides fell only 1.6 percent in the years after the law’s enactment, but enforcement of the law appeared to spike in 2007 following the mass shooting at Virginia Tech, leading to a 13.7 reduction in firearm suicides from 2007 to 2015."

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    Do we have conflicting information so we can each find ample red meat for our own confirmation bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    More than 1,200 children in US killed by guns in the last year
    but as long as the NRA is able to keep guns on the streets and buy their CEO mansions, Beverly Hills shopping sprees, along with $70,000 Caribbean vacations, the goobs are loving it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello rjhenn,



    Well then maybe you can poke around and learn if these stats were cherry-picked and not actually representative:

    "In Indiana, the study found a 7.5 percent reduction in firearm suicides in the decade following the red flag law’s enactment. The link was less pronounced in Connecticut, at least initially. Gun suicides fell only 1.6 percent in the years after the law’s enactment, but enforcement of the law appeared to spike in 2007 following the mass shooting at Virginia Tech, leading to a 13.7 reduction in firearm suicides from 2007 to 2015."

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    The article refers to this study

    Do we have conflicting information so we can each find ample red meat for our own confirmation bias?
    You appear to be focused on firearm suicides. I was looking at the figures for total suicide. If a red flag law takes away their guns, but they still commit suicide, was the law a success? I've seen people argue that if they didn't suicide with a gun, then the law was a success. I don't understand the 'logic' behind that view of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    but as long as the NRA is able to keep guns on the streets and buy their CEO mansions, Beverly Hills shopping sprees, along with $70,000 Caribbean vacations, the goobs are loving it
    Purest paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    They don’t have gun problems because they are not awash in guns.
    They never did have gun problems. That's the point. You still can't point to a single gun control law that has ever been demonstrated to have made things better.

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    Hello rjhenn,

    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    You appear to be focused on firearm suicides. I was looking at the figures for total suicide.
    Ah, OK. I see. Thanks for the distinction. So we are talking about two very different data sets.

    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    If a red flag law takes away their guns, but they still commit suicide, was the law a success? I've seen people argue that if they didn't suicide with a gun, then the law was a success. I don't understand the 'logic' behind that view of things.
    The logic is that one form of suicide has been reduced and that is a good thing.

    Your 'if' is a big IF. There is nothing to show that it is true because it is unknown if users of other forms of suicide ever considered using a gun. It's not like we can interview them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    They never did have gun problems. That's the point. You still can't point to a single gun control law that has ever been demonstrated to have made things better.

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    They didn’t and don’t because they’re not awash in guns.

    When was the last time we saw a death from a machine gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello rjhenn,



    Ah, OK. I see. Thanks for the distinction. So we are talking about two very different data sets.



    The logic is that one form of suicide has been reduced and that is a good thing.

    Your 'if' is a big IF. There is nothing to show that it is true because it is unknown if users of other forms of suicide ever considered using a gun. It's not like we can interview them.
    “If” is a logical fallacy frequently uses by those who can’t argue reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    On average, 35,000-40,000 people die each year from guns.
    Take it up with your gang bangers .....

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    800,000 kids go missing every year
    1200 is a drop in the bucket as far as misfortune goes

    Neither statistic is wanted, but I'd be more concerned about missing kids and the pedo ring that was uncovered with Epstein. They had the power to kill him in jail. That should be more frightening to you. 800,000 kids a year!

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