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    Default Here’s the Bullshit That Republicans Are About to Throw at Mueller

    Be prepared...…...House Democrats already are

    David Corn


    The big picture

    Strzok and Page are only a piece of the uber-conspiracy theory cheered by Trump and his followers. The bottom line of their narrative is this: The FBI, as part of a grand plot, schemed to stop Trump from becoming president, and then, once he was in the White House, attempted to take him out. And the Russia investigation was the main tool for this job.

    But…this doesn’t make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all. It did the opposite. During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee on September 28, 2016, Comey was asked repeatedly by Democrats if the bureau was examining links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He stuck to the rulebook and refused to answer the question. Perhaps more important, when the New York Times weeks later was investigating this subject, FBI sources told the paper’s reporters that it had found no ties between Trump and the Russian government. This is not what a Deep State conspiracy to smash Trump would have done. (Meanwhile, Comey revived the Clinton email server controversy in the final stretch of the campaign—a move that damaged Clinton and possibly resulted in Trump’s victory. Another Deep State oops?)

    The FBI did not turn its Russia investigation into ammunition against Trump during the campaign. Nor did it do so after the election. It was not the FBI that leaked the Steele dossier—which contained lurid, unsubstantiated allegations about Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Moscow—to Buzzfeed, which posted the memos in early 2017. It was a John McCain aide—and he was horrified when the memos were made public. And shortly before Trump moved into the White House, Comey tried to give the president-to-be a head’s up about the dossier and its salacious contents. There is one inescapable conclusion: If there was a Deep State plotting against Trump, it did a damn poor job.

    All of the above may be far too many weeds for the average viewer who tunes into the Mueller hearings. But for the past two years, the Trumpsters have tried conjuring all of this and more (I left out other mind-numbing details) into an alternative reality. A reality in which the Russian attack barely figures and doesn’t matter, in which Trump’s lies about his actions in Russia and his denials and dismissals of the Moscow assault do not exist. The endgame is not persuading America that their bizarre and untrue reality is what actually happened; it’s providing a counter to the damning (for Trump) reality that did transpire. Trump, Fox News, and the rest are purposefully breeding confusion and muddying up what truly is the most significant political scandal in modern American history.

    Mueller’s report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged, the Republicans will have to try to impeach his investigation, his people, and perhaps even Mueller himself. And if they cannot do that, the next best thing is to create a mess, make each of the two Mueller hearings a chaotic ruckus with plenty of theatrics, shouting, and conspiratorial charges. The cult of Trump has no choice. He is president in part because of the Russian attack. Worse, he encouraged it and helped Moscow cover it up. He then attempted to block the investigation. Neither Trump nor his supporters can admit this without undercutting his legitimacy. Any serious recognition, consideration, and acceptance of Mueller’s finding is a threat to Trump and his tribe. They need a different script—even if it’s fake.


    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-trump-russia/

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    You are going to be so disappointed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    You are going to be so disappointed again.
    why, what part of the above is incorrect?

    let's hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    why, what part of the above is incorrect?

    let's hear it
    You're never honest and want to use an opinion piece as proof...

    Gawd, you're an idiot

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    Hello reagansghost,

    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Be prepared...…...House Democrats already are

    David Corn


    The big picture

    Strzok and Page are only a piece of the uber-conspiracy theory cheered by Trump and his followers. The bottom line of their narrative is this: The FBI, as part of a grand plot, schemed to stop Trump from becoming president, and then, once he was in the White House, attempted to take him out. And the Russia investigation was the main tool for this job.

    But…this doesn’t make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all. It did the opposite. During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee on September 28, 2016, Comey was asked repeatedly by Democrats if the bureau was examining links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He stuck to the rulebook and refused to answer the question. Perhaps more important, when the New York Times weeks later was investigating this subject, FBI sources told the paper’s reporters that it had found no ties between Trump and the Russian government. This is not what a Deep State conspiracy to smash Trump would have done. (Meanwhile, Comey revived the Clinton email server controversy in the final stretch of the campaign—a move that damaged Clinton and possibly resulted in Trump’s victory. Another Deep State oops?)

    The FBI did not turn its Russia investigation into ammunition against Trump during the campaign. Nor did it do so after the election. It was not the FBI that leaked the Steele dossier—which contained lurid, unsubstantiated allegations about Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Moscow—to Buzzfeed, which posted the memos in early 2017. It was a John McCain aide—and he was horrified when the memos were made public. And shortly before Trump moved into the White House, Comey tried to give the president-to-be a head’s up about the dossier and its salacious contents. There is one inescapable conclusion: If there was a Deep State plotting against Trump, it did a damn poor job.

    All of the above may be far too many weeds for the average viewer who tunes into the Mueller hearings. But for the past two years, the Trumpsters have tried conjuring all of this and more (I left out other mind-numbing details) into an alternative reality. A reality in which the Russian attack barely figures and doesn’t matter, in which Trump’s lies about his actions in Russia and his denials and dismissals of the Moscow assault do not exist. The endgame is not persuading America that their bizarre and untrue reality is what actually happened; it’s providing a counter to the damning (for Trump) reality that did transpire. Trump, Fox News, and the rest are purposefully breeding confusion and muddying up what truly is the most significant political scandal in modern American history.

    Mueller’s report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged, the Republicans will have to try to impeach his investigation, his people, and perhaps even Mueller himself. And if they cannot do that, the next best thing is to create a mess, make each of the two Mueller hearings a chaotic ruckus with plenty of theatrics, shouting, and conspiratorial charges. The cult of Trump has no choice. He is president in part because of the Russian attack. Worse, he encouraged it and helped Moscow cover it up. He then attempted to block the investigation. Neither Trump nor his supporters can admit this without undercutting his legitimacy. Any serious recognition, consideration, and acceptance of Mueller’s finding is a threat to Trump and his tribe. They need a different script—even if it’s fake.


    http://<u>https://www.motherjones.co...mp-russia/</u>
    There is certainly a strong reluctance to discuss the bolded facts. This is atrocious behavior from our President. And there are many many other allegations of multitudes of shenanigans including fraud, tax evasion, rape, campaign expenditure reporting laws, racial discrimination, stiffing workers, failure to execute signed contracts of fulfill legal obligations. He has refused to comply with the law to turn over his tax returns, and with all the stories of bankruptcies and investors who lost money with Trump, and him going to court regularly, I believe we have sufficient cause to demand his bank records as well. I believe once examined and verified, will reveal irregularities which can only mean he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors. It appears that our President is a crook!

    I hope Mr Mueller brings to light the seriousness of a nation which allows her adversary to play a decisive role in her elections. This obviously delegitimizes the election and in order to resolve this violation of our democracy, we need to remove the result of that election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello reagansghost,



    There is certainly a strong reluctance to discuss the bolded facts. This is atrocious behavior from our President. And there are many many other allegations of multitudes of shenanigans including fraud, tax evasion, rape, campaign expenditure reporting laws, racial discrimination, stiffing workers, failure to execute signed contracts of fulfill legal obligations. He has refused to comply with the law to turn over his tax returns, and with all the stories of bankruptcies and investors who lost money with Trump, and him going to court regularly, I believe we have sufficient cause to demand his bank records as well. I believe once examined and verified, will reveal irregularities which can only mean he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors. It appears that our President is a crook!

    I hope Mr Mueller brings to light the seriousness of a nation which allows her adversary to play a decisive role in her elections. This obviously delegitimizes the election and in order to resolve this violation of our democracy, we need to remove the result of that election.
    agreed, your boldened facts are indeed damning, and contained WITHIN Mueller's report

    the whole deal tomorrow is basically America hearing the MUELLER Report (no one read it), not the Barr Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Be prepared...…...House Democrats already are
    why are you testifying for Mueller.....are you afraid he won't say what you want him to say?....

    Mueller’s report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged
    and yet, here you are......

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    why, what part of the above is incorrect?
    Mueller says you're fucked.......

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    But…this doesn’t make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all
    what a crock!
    thre were all kinds of leaks about "da Russians" and Trump during the campaign, and most cam from the FBI itself.

    I stopped reading this junk noise after that

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    here's another one from McClatchy

    ...the House Democrats on the committee, and Robert Mueller, already know the conspiracy theories coming their way from the desperate Dumpsters

    the pukes can' buy this one

    https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...232570392.html

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    Zebley was the 'Assistant Special Prosecutor" for Mueller, and used to be his Chief Of Staff at the FBI

    Trump's fucked

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    why, what part of the above is incorrect?

    let's hear it
    Rightys proving they have not read the report but know all the red talking points. Fox trains those who are easily conned just like Trump does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Be prepared...…...House Democrats already are

    David Corn


    The big picture

    Strzok and Page are only a piece of the uber-conspiracy theory cheered by Trump and his followers. The bottom line of their narrative is this: The FBI, as part of a grand plot, schemed to stop Trump from becoming president, and then, once he was in the White House, attempted to take him out. And the Russia investigation was the main tool for this job.

    But…this doesn’t make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all. It did the opposite. During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee on September 28, 2016, Comey was asked repeatedly by Democrats if the bureau was examining links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He stuck to the rulebook and refused to answer the question. Perhaps more important, when the New York Times weeks later was investigating this subject, FBI sources told the paper’s reporters that it had found no ties between Trump and the Russian government. This is not what a Deep State conspiracy to smash Trump would have done. (Meanwhile, Comey revived the Clinton email server controversy in the final stretch of the campaign—a move that damaged Clinton and possibly resulted in Trump’s victory. Another Deep State oops?)

    The FBI did not turn its Russia investigation into ammunition against Trump during the campaign. Nor did it do so after the election. It was not the FBI that leaked the Steele dossier—which contained lurid, unsubstantiated allegations about Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Moscow—to Buzzfeed, which posted the memos in early 2017. It was a John McCain aide—and he was horrified when the memos were made public. And shortly before Trump moved into the White House, Comey tried to give the president-to-be a head’s up about the dossier and its salacious contents. There is one inescapable conclusion: If there was a Deep State plotting against Trump, it did a damn poor job.

    All of the above may be far too many weeds for the average viewer who tunes into the Mueller hearings. But for the past two years, the Trumpsters have tried conjuring all of this and more (I left out other mind-numbing details) into an alternative reality. A reality in which the Russian attack barely figures and doesn’t matter, in which Trump’s lies about his actions in Russia and his denials and dismissals of the Moscow assault do not exist. The endgame is not persuading America that their bizarre and untrue reality is what actually happened; it’s providing a counter to the damning (for Trump) reality that did transpire. Trump, Fox News, and the rest are purposefully breeding confusion and muddying up what truly is the most significant political scandal in modern American history.

    Mueller’s report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged, the Republicans will have to try to impeach his investigation, his people, and perhaps even Mueller himself. And if they cannot do that, the next best thing is to create a mess, make each of the two Mueller hearings a chaotic ruckus with plenty of theatrics, shouting, and conspiratorial charges. The cult of Trump has no choice. He is president in part because of the Russian attack. Worse, he encouraged it and helped Moscow cover it up. He then attempted to block the investigation. Neither Trump nor his supporters can admit this without undercutting his legitimacy. Any serious recognition, consideration, and acceptance of Mueller’s finding is a threat to Trump and his tribe. They need a different script—even if it’s fake.


    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-trump-russia/
    Wow, the mofo uses MoJo!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    Be prepared...…...House Democrats already are

    David Corn


    The big picture

    Strzok and Page are only a piece of the uber-conspiracy theory cheered by Trump and his followers. The bottom line of their narrative is this: The FBI, as part of a grand plot, schemed to stop Trump from becoming president, and then, once he was in the White House, attempted to take him out. And the Russia investigation was the main tool for this job.

    But…this doesn’t make sense. During the summer and fall of 2016, the FBI knew it was investigating the Russian attack and possible connections between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Did it reveal or leak this information to harm Trump? Not at all. It did the opposite. During an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee on September 28, 2016, Comey was asked repeatedly by Democrats if the bureau was examining links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He stuck to the rulebook and refused to answer the question. Perhaps more important, when the New York Times weeks later was investigating this subject, FBI sources told the paper’s reporters that it had found no ties between Trump and the Russian government. This is not what a Deep State conspiracy to smash Trump would have done. (Meanwhile, Comey revived the Clinton email server controversy in the final stretch of the campaign—a move that damaged Clinton and possibly resulted in Trump’s victory. Another Deep State oops?)

    The FBI did not turn its Russia investigation into ammunition against Trump during the campaign. Nor did it do so after the election. It was not the FBI that leaked the Steele dossier—which contained lurid, unsubstantiated allegations about Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Moscow—to Buzzfeed, which posted the memos in early 2017. It was a John McCain aide—and he was horrified when the memos were made public. And shortly before Trump moved into the White House, Comey tried to give the president-to-be a head’s up about the dossier and its salacious contents. There is one inescapable conclusion: If there was a Deep State plotting against Trump, it did a damn poor job.

    All of the above may be far too many weeds for the average viewer who tunes into the Mueller hearings. But for the past two years, the Trumpsters have tried conjuring all of this and more (I left out other mind-numbing details) into an alternative reality. A reality in which the Russian attack barely figures and doesn’t matter, in which Trump’s lies about his actions in Russia and his denials and dismissals of the Moscow assault do not exist. The endgame is not persuading America that their bizarre and untrue reality is what actually happened; it’s providing a counter to the damning (for Trump) reality that did transpire. Trump, Fox News, and the rest are purposefully breeding confusion and muddying up what truly is the most significant political scandal in modern American history.

    Mueller’s report, though, presents a clear and basic view of what occurred. If his facts cannot be challenged, the Republicans will have to try to impeach his investigation, his people, and perhaps even Mueller himself. And if they cannot do that, the next best thing is to create a mess, make each of the two Mueller hearings a chaotic ruckus with plenty of theatrics, shouting, and conspiratorial charges. The cult of Trump has no choice. He is president in part because of the Russian attack. Worse, he encouraged it and helped Moscow cover it up. He then attempted to block the investigation. Neither Trump nor his supporters can admit this without undercutting his legitimacy. Any serious recognition, consideration, and acceptance of Mueller’s finding is a threat to Trump and his tribe. They need a different script—even if it’s fake.


    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-trump-russia/
    What a screed.

    The Russian ‘attack’ lol? The Russians were ham-handedly meddling in the election *and to no discernible effect*. No one thought it was a particularly big deal until Trump won the election. Notably, Obama didn’t sanction the Russians until AFTER the election. The “coordinated leak campaign” under Strzok didn’t start until after the election. Ostensibly, as part of the “insurance policy”.

    I remember all the leaks and even remarked about it here. Never in my life I have seen so many leaks. One after another handed out to a compliant media—and oh so many of them turned out to be untrue or outright fabrications. Comey even leaked with the stated intention that it would lead to the appointment of an SC.

    Comey briefed Trump on a Dossier that even the media thought was too sketchy to run with. But on January 6, 2017 Comey briefs both Obama and Trump on the Dossier; several days later, CNN reports on the briefing and that it was about allegations that Russian operatives possessed “compromising personal and financial information"

    Stop right there: how did CNN come to find out about the details of an intelligence briefing? Who was talking to them? Comey? How about an investigation so we can find out who broke the law?

    Shortly after that on January 10 of 2017, Buzzfeed publishes the Dossier.

    Never mind that the ‘Russians possessing compromising personal and financial information on Trump’ turned out to be absolute bunk: all that matters is AT THAT TIME the political ground was made fertile to appoint an SC; a move that was triggered by, again, James Comey.

    An investigation that produced no underlying crime by Trump or anyone even named Trump. And today, democrats are going to have one last go at impeaching Trump for almost nearly ‘obstructing it’.

    How do you even make this shit up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    why, what part of the above is incorrect?

    let's hear it
    From the word "The" to "fake" and everything in between.

    That you use motherjones as a source is worse than evince making a claim and using herself as one.

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