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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Why does the simplest shit need to be broken down for you, moron?

    Lawmakers are lawyers, they have no problem reading legalese. Fucking idiot, the only point in your entire wall of text and it is moot.

    Stop trolling far right sites, you look like an idiot when you empty your slop buckets here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    a request is not an order
    Then why did he make the request to lie to Congress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    there was no corrupt intent shown by no threat or penalty carried about by Trump.
    The intent was requesting them to lie.

    Why would Trump request Cohen and McGahn lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    I think it was Trump being pissed off at all this continual nonsense, and spouting off his frustrations.
    So it's OK to ask people to lie to Congress if your feelings are hurt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    For intent you would need to prove this was not the case - which can't be done.
    You gave away the intent when you said Trump requested they lie to Congress.

    Why would he request they lie to Congress?

    Because, as you say, his feelings were hurt.

    Well, hurt feelings is not a justification to ask people to lie to Congress when you're the President.

    But go with this defense, please...make it a feature of your argument; that it's OK to ask people to lie to Congress because you have hurt feelings.

    IMO - you'd have done better arguing Trump never asked them to lie. You should have just denied he said anything. Then it would have been he-said, he-said...except that McGahn and Cohen "kept receipts"...like recording phonecalls and shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    The intent was requesting them to lie.

    Why would Trump request Cohen and McGahn lie?
    So REQUESTING that someone rob a bank, is against the law; whether they actually follow through or not??

    And INTENT is subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    In fact my argument is much more likely given the fact the request was not backed up with anything but a request.
    Why would Trump request anyone lie to Congress if there was no intent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    what tips the scales is there was no Russian collusion = protestations/rants of an innocent man
    Then why did Manafort share polling data with Kilimnik for months when he was campaign manager for Trump?
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    FACT: Mueller is not going to contradict what he has already reported in the report. Leftists and Democratic morons think he can provide them with a smoking gun if they ask the right questions.

    Here is the entire purpose of this Clown Show; Democrats hope Mueller’s testimony will make more Americans want to impeach Trump
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...or-impeachment

    It will fail as most Democratic efforts to smear rather than debate issues fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    already answered by myself.
    There is absolutely no distance between "request" or "wished"
    Why was Trump requesting or wishing anyone to lie to Congress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Then why did he make the request to lie to Congress?
    Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

    Barr: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    The intent was requesting them to lie.
    Why would Trump request Cohen and McGahn lie?
    Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

    Barr: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So it's OK to ask people to lie to Congress if your feelings are hurt?
    Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

    Barr: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    You gave away the intent when you said Trump requested they lie to Congress.

    Why would he request they lie to Congress?

    Because, as you say, his feelings were hurt.

    Well, hurt feelings is not a justification to ask people to lie to Congress when you're the President.

    But go with this defense, please...make it a feature of your argument; that it's OK to ask people to lie to Congress because you have hurt feelings.

    IMO - you'd have done better arguing Trump never asked them to lie. You should have just denied he said anything. Then it would have been he-said, he-said...except that McGahn and Cohen "kept receipts"...like recording phonecalls and shit.
    Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

    Barr: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Why would Trump request anyone lie to Congress if there was no intent?
    Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

    Barr: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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