why cant we agree on what is racism?

[Into the Night]

who should be allowed to determine what is an incident of racism?


lets examine some current incidents and look at WHO calls it racism and who says its not an example of racism.



can you republicans give us an example of a current event you agree had elements of racism in it

Because too many people use it as an insult.

'Racism' and 'bigotry' have a very specific meaning related to a logical fallacy.

In logic, there is a fallacy known as a compositional error. It works like this:

You have a bag of marbles. You pull out a white marble. You pull out a 2nd marble and it's also white. You conclude the bag contains nothing but white marbles.
The equation for this fallacy is ((A)->pA & (A)->pA)->(A=>pA)

The thing you are examining is marbles. That is the class of the object. The property you are examining is the color. By making such an erroneous conclusion as a proof, you wrong, since the bag may contain marbles of any color. You just don't know it. You simply assume all of them are white.

The compositional error in and of itself is a fallacy (an error in logic, similar to a math error). If the class is people, then the error is also called 'bigotry'. If the property is a genetic trait and is being used to denigrate the class, then the error becomes 'racism'.

No event is racist or bigoted. The error is formed out an erroneous conclusion caused by extending the properties of a class improperly to all object of that class or to the class itself.

Thus, to say that a man is 'white' or 'black' is simply noting a property. That is not racist. To use a word in a derogatory manner such as 'cracker' or 'nigger' is racism, even though 'nigger' simply means 'black'. It is the derogatory intent that is important here.

[Into the Night]

can you think of one single incident in the current news that DOES reflect racism?

The assumption that Trump made a racist remark in a tweek (when none was made), since that in and of itself must present a racist model to accuse Trump of. It is the news, the Democrats, and other liberals that is being racist.

[Into the Night]

Or does the right claim that there is no real racism in this nation?

There's plenty of it. Every race has individuals in it that condemn another race just on the property of skin color. It crosses all political boundaries.

That said, it is the Democrats and other liberals that constantly make race an issue politically. That in and of itself is racism.

[Into the Night]

when everything is racist, nothing is racist

Incorrect. Racism is a compositional error fallacy using people as the class and a genetic trait as the property, and used in a derogatory manner.

[Flash]

No, bigot works fine
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudicesespecially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

There are five types of racism. Most people aren’t aware of that. It isn’t just based on intolerance and power.

Bigot is a good term. It eliminates (just) race and includes examples of bigotry such as a person's political beliefs and affiliations, the region of the country they are from, and other examples of bigotry we see that have nothing to do with race.

[Micawber]

There is nothing to debate. Trump is a racist and so are many of his supporters.
It is not misused, it is not fallaciously asserted. It simply is. That it is an insult is not
our problem. If you are insulted, good. Maybe there is hope for you.

[Sailor]

There is nothing to debate. Trump is a racist and so are many of his supporters.
It is not misused, it is not fallaciously asserted. It simply is. That it is an insult is not
our problem. If you are insulted, good. Maybe there is hope for you.

Still waiting for you fake lawyer or ANY left winger on this board to prove that with fact. So far, nothing but your usual bullshit.

[Flash]

There is nothing to debate. Trump is a racist and so are many of his supporters.
It is not misused, it is not fallaciously asserted. It simply is. That it is an insult is not
our problem. If you are insulted, good. Maybe there is hope for you.

What percent of white people do you think are racist?

[Lord Yurt]

who should be allowed to determine what is an incident of racism?


lets examine some current incidents and look at WHO calls it racism and who says its not an example of racism.



can you republicans give us an example of a current event you agree had elements of racism in it

Most certainly not you or most democrats. To and them everyone disagrees with you or dares disagree with a black person is a racist.

No one even cares about your cry wolf claims anymore.

[cawacko]

What percent of white people do you think are racist?

It's interesting, the other day TTQ64 wrote that if you think the Squad is far left and if you don't support free education, free health care and reparations then you support racism. And she included white liberals in that because she was speaking directly to a white liberal poster on this board. By her definition Micawber is a racist.

I found it quite amusing to see liberals who love calling others racist get called racist themselves.

[Bill]

If you really want to discuss, why don't YOU provide examples for people to discuss?

The reason people don't always agree is that some people (like YOU) run around screaming racism every time a disagreement involves people of different ethnicity.

It is also a subjective term based on individual points of view. Some things are going to be blatant, where the vast majority would agree. Others are more subtle and you get varied opinions.
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Some good points..

Ppl used to say something like "you'll know it, when it happens to you", but maybe that isn't as true as it once was??

Racism of one sort or another does seem to be a catch all for many things...

Sometimes you just can't win: you voted for trump or Obama you're a fuckin racist, you didn't vote for Obama or trump, you're a fuckin racist..

Some folks are chill & just don't let shit/non-shit bother them, a few are hypersensitive & everything bothers them...

Ppl are ppl, & that isn't necessarily always a good thing.. Que sera sera

[Flash]

It's interesting, the other day TTQ64 wrote that if you think the Squad is far left and if you don't support free education, free health care and reparations then you support racism. And she included white liberals in that because she was speaking directly to a white liberal poster on this board. By her definition Micawber is a racist.

I found it quite amusing to see liberals who love calling others racist get called racist themselves.

One post claimed the Squad is racist because they all voted against the $4 billion appropriation to improve detention facilities for immigrants.

[PostmodernProphet]

While you have said that thousands of times here, to over 100 + members you have yet to prove that, nary a one, sounds like just another couple thousand fails...

does it need to be proved?.....given the fact that Obama had a couple years of experience as a community organizer, one term as a state senator and half a term as a federal senator, can you really pretend to yourself that he would have been nominated, let alone elected to the presidency if he was not anointed to be"THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT"?.......

[Flash]

Some good points..

Ppl used to say something like "you'll know it, when it happens to you", but maybe that isn't as true as it once was??

Racism of one sort or another does seem to be a catch all for many things...

Sometimes you just can't win: you voted for trump or Obama you're a fuckin racist, you didn't vote for Obama or trump, you're a fuckin racist..

Some folks are chill & just don't let shit/non-shit bother them, a few are hypersensitive & everything bothers them...

Ppl are ppl, & that isn't necessarily always a good thing.. Que sera sera

Good points. And there is also the perception of racism. There was a TV show ("Black and White"?) involving a black couple and white couple. They would make up each couple like the other race to let them experience how that race is treated.

In one episode the black guy was dressed as himself while the white guy was made up as black. They were walking down the sidewalk together and some white people coming toward them stepped off the sidewalk as they met. The black guy saw that as racism (they didn't want to get too close to two black guys) while the white guy just saw it as moving aside so they didn't run into each other.

[Micawber]

Most certainly not you or most democrats. To and them everyone disagrees with you or dares disagree with a black person is a racist.

No one even cares about your cry wolf claims anymore.

And we don't care that you don't care and we won't desist because it's true. You support a racist president and don't call him out
you are a racist. There, I said it again. And nobody will ever stop doing it until you stop being one.

See how that works?

Now if you do want me to stop calling you a racist, there is a way. 1. Say you disavow racism against minorities.
2. Admit Trump is a racist. 3. Support Trump by saying you wish he was not a racist but you want the tax cut and the macho bullshit
stuff and abortion or whatever.

But be honest. That is the key. Stop doing the tribe thing and be honest. Your party is incapable of honesty in fact anymore. Now your
party fights every battle, denies every argument, never cedes an inch, even the indisputable points. It's disgusting.