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Thread: Migrant Death Rate Under Trump 20 Percent Lower than Obama Years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    It is a fact that people died in detention under Obama. We were ignorant to these facts because it wasn’t an issue. Now we have been made aware of the harsh conditions under which these asylum seekers suffer and we must do something about them. It should not occur, no matter who is President.
    Obama didn't detain people

    they died other ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Obama didn't detain people

    they died other ways
    Sorry, evince, you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    Deaths of migrants who illegally crossed the border during the first two years of the Trump administration fell about 20 percent from the eight-year average under the Obama era. This is in sharp contrast to the political rhetoric of Democrat presidential candidates and certain media outlets decrying the treatment of migrants under President Donald Trump’s watch. During the eight years of the Obama administration, 2,977 migrants died after illegally crossing the southwest border with Mexico — 372 per year on average, according to a report obtained from U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials.

    During the first two complete fiscal years of the Trump administration, 581 migrants died — an average of 291 per year. Despite massively higher border apprehensions in Fiscal Year 2019, the number of deaths appears to be on par with the two prior years, according to the International Organization for Migrants’ Missing Migrant Project. This represents about a 20 percent drop from the Obama administration’s reported migrant deaths.

    https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...n-obama-years/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Sorry, evince, you are wrong.
    there was NO detention as Trump is doing


    the people who were detained were released shortly after

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    there was NO detention as Trump is doing


    the people who were detained were released shortly after
    This is true, Trump’s camp are far worse, but we can’t deny the reality that the Obama administration had its share of problems.
    The difference Trump is the cruelty and inhumane treatment is intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    It is a fact that people died in detention under Obama. We were ignorant to these facts because it wasn’t an issue. Now we have been made aware of the harsh conditions under which these asylum seekers suffer and we must do something about them. It should not occur, no matter who is President.
    These numbers are not referring to detention deaths, though. They are total deaths from illegal crossings. Desert deaths. River deaths. Etc.

    During Bush and Obama, they were mainly Mexican men. The demographics have changed, too. To try to compare raw numbers is disingenuous, at best. With Breitbart, bet on a lie.

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    remember all the right wing nut sack twisting about catch and release?

    Obama did not have concentration camps for hopeful immigrants

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    The “Concentration Camps” Have Existed Since Clinton




    Bush and Obama Crack Down

    Following 9/11, xenophobia was running high in the country, and for an understandable reason. But George Bush took Clinton’s work a step further. In 2003, as a division of the new Department of Homeland Security, he formed the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, which we now know as ICE.

    Under Bush, the number of immigrants in detention doubled again, reaching 30,000. He also saw the beginning of Secure Communities, a program that helped to identify, hold, and deport illegal immigrants.

    Unfortunately, Barack Obama took the actions of Clinton and Bush and blew them through the roof. In the first two years of his presidency, Obama expanded the number of Secure Communities from 14 to 1210. In that time, the program caused an additional 140,000 detentions and 72,000 deportations. But in total, even this is a drop in the bucket for Obama.

    Over the course of his presidency, President Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president in history. In fact, his 2.9 million people deported is, so far, at a higher rate than even President Trump. It far exceeds the amount (2 million) that the government deported in 105 years from 1892 to 1997. But it gets worse; the immigrants in detention often faced grossly inhumane conditions that rival or even surpass that of the Trump administration.

    Obama-era Inhumanity

    Ocasio-Cortez has fervently defended her accusation regarding concentration camps. With it, she appears to strongly blame the Trump administration for them, as her numerous tweets on the issue suggest. The facts contradict her assertion; Trump actually inherited the problem. Though he is certainly making blunders in regards to it, he did not start this.

    In 2015, NPR broke a story that showed still pictures of illegal immigrants in detention centers. Many wrapped themselves in foil space blankets, not having anything else to keep warm in the frigid camps (which many Spanish-speaking detainees have not-so-affectionately dubbed “las hieleras”, the freezers). The centers also had trash strewn about them, and it was quite obvious that the guards cared little for the wellbeing of the detainees.

    Around the same time, the American Immigration Council and the American Civil Liberties Union have sued the president for the actions on the border. They state that numerous detainees were denied the food and water that they needed to comfortably survive. They also did not have access to legal advice or medical help, according to the suit.

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    You POSs have only started bitchin under Trump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Oh my God, what will you think of next????
    The guys a troll, best just to ignore him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    The guys a troll, best just to ignore him.
    That's funny coming from the forum's biggest troll.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    So what's with the usual obsession with me RB? Don't tell me you don't think the idiot with the race-baiting avatar is a troll. I'm not a troll because I tell trolls and assholes off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    fucking racists believe lies


    I say we stomp these racists into the gutter and kick them back into the sewer where they belong

    all racists ever do is destroy the nation they inhabit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    It is a fact that people died in detention under Obama. We were ignorant to these facts because it wasn’t an issue. Now we have been made aware of the harsh conditions under which these asylum seekers suffer and we must do something about them. It should not occur, no matter who is President.
    The conditions are harsh because our resources are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of immigrants.

    Seems we all agree it’s been that way for years. Was it ‘Trump’s crisis’ when the same harsh conditions were in place under Obama? Or under Bush II, for that matter?

    How about we start calling it ‘congress’s crisis’? Since they are responsible for fixing our immigration laws such that these poor people will be *discouraged* instead of encouraged to take themselves and their kids—or someone else’s kids, on a dangerous journey where people may die in our hands. Assuming they survive being raped or otherwise abused by the cartels.

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