H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act”

[Into the Night]

As usual rightys want their own facts. The min wage was designed to be a living wage.

Irrelevant. Price controls never work. Like any other price control, it causes shortages.

Who is on it? Average age is 35. Not a teen. Over half are beyond 20. 27 percent are parents . Most are women. Most are southerners. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/u...imum-wage.html

NYT is not a valid source. Try again.

[Into the Night]

As usual rightys want their own facts. The min wage was designed to be a living wage . Who is on it? Average age is 35. Not a teen. Over half are beyond 20. 27 percent are parents . Most are women. Most are southerners. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/u...imum-wage.html
If a business fails when the min wage is increased, it is a lot more than just that. The other businesses are still going. Sounds like Trump saying the economy killed his casinos, but all the others are still in business. Just his went under.

Every casino on the Las Vegas strip without exception was in bankruptcy during that period of time.

They ALL went under, jackass.

Recently, Ceaser's Palace, Bally's, The Flamingo, Harrah's, Tropicana, and Hooter's recently emerged from bankruptcy.

Currently in bankruptcy or soon to file are SLS, Lucky Dragon, the Cosmopolitan, the Hard Rock, and the Westin. Quite possibly the Linq, the Rio, and Planet Hollywood could be facing a bankruptcy court soon as well.

The destruction caused by MGM mismanagement is legendary, even among casino owners. Fortunately, Treasure Island has escaped from them in a bankruptcy sale, but the damage has been done. The Pirate Bay show will never appear again.
Currently, MGM owns the Mandalay Bay (the site of the Las Vegas shooter), the MGM Grand, the Delano, the Luxor, Excalibur, New York, the Park, the Aria, the Nomad, the Vdara, the Bellagio (which barely runs its fountains anymore), the Mirage (which barely runs its volcano anymore), and Circus Circus. When MGM Casinos went bankrupt, ALL of these properties were involved.

Despite the revenue running through a major casino in a typical day, there is a TON of expenses, payroll not the least. It's a people business. Behind the glitz and glitter of a single major casino is a team of literally thousands, including dealers, housekeepers, facilities personnel, chefs and cooks, dishwashers, freight handlers, bellhops, drivers, floor managers, security, electronics technicians, slot machine mechanics, cashiers, clerks, chip runners, heavy equipment operators (including money counting machine operators, machinists, forklift operators, etc), waitresses, barmen, legal teams, programmers, salespeople, phone support operators, and on, and on, and on.

And that's not counting the people that don't work in the actual casino but deliver the cards, the dice, the tables, the slot machines, the computer systems, the display systems, the painters, the HVAC repairmen, the FHESP repairmen, the TV repairmen, the cable head installers, the folks that provide the tremendous amount of food consumed in a single day that is prepared by the in-house chefs, the garbage pickup (do you have any idea how much garbage a casino produces in a single day?!?), the water and sewer, and of course the electrical supply.


It is TOUGH making money in casinos, even for the owners!

[Mason Michaels]

What part of the minimum wage was designed as a starting wage for untrained employees don't you understand?

That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.

[Into the Night]

That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.

The problem is not the minimum wage. The problem is that there are too many entry level workers. Instead of whining to the government, they should go out and find a way to make themselves more useful to somebody. Gain a skill, go to school, be willing to do some nasty job others don't want to do, anything.

[Eagle_Eye]

That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.

Total liberal BS.

"In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2017/home.htm

[Mason Michaels]

Total liberal BS.

"In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2017/home.htm

That's what I said millions,1.8 to be exact.

[Eagle_Eye]

That's what I said millions,1.8 to be exact.

Sorry dumb ass but 1.8 isn't millions. look at the percentage of all hourly workers. That is the telling fact!

[Mason Michaels]

Sorry dumb ass but 1.8 isn't millions. look at the percentage of all hourly workers. That is the telling fact!

So 1.8 million don't matter,and the ones just above minimum,who would be making less if there wasn't a minimum wage.

[Eagle_Eye]

So 1.8 million don't matter,and the ones just above minimum,who would be making less if there wasn't a minimum wage.

Trying to spin it any way you can doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority of workers do not stay at minimum wage.

[Mason Michaels]

Trying to spin it any way you can doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority of workers do not stay at minimum wage.

No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.

[Eagle_Eye]

What part of the minimum wage was designed as a starting wage for untrained employees don't you understand?

That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.

No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.

Nice try at deflection but as everyone can see that was not your original argument.

[Mason Michaels]

Nice try at deflection but as everyone can see that was not your original argument.

"You got nothing"

[CFM]

H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn

If it wouldn't be raised to that $15/hour until the 7th year, that's plenty of time for those making under that amount to better themselves and $15/hour not be a concern. If someone can't improve themselves over that period of time to make more, the problem isn't with the minimum wage, whatever it is, but with the low skilled worker wanting something handed to them.

[CFM]

No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.

Capitalism keeps wages at a level equivalent to what the skills provided are worth. An artificially established minimum sets the wage at a level above what many skills are worth or provide in terms of revenue generation.

Being a Liberal, you're only concerned about what you can get the government to give you for nothing.

Those demanding a higher minimum say they want MORE money yet none of them have ever said what they'll do to warrant it.

[CFM]

The problem is not the minimum wage. The problem is that there are too many entry level workers. Instead of whining to the government, they should go out and find a way to make themselves more useful to somebody. Gain a skill, go to school, be willing to do some nasty job others don't want to do, anything.

According to the OP, HR 582 would raise the minimum to $15/hour over 7 years. During that 7 year span, if those complaining about an increase would spend 1/4 the time bettering themselves as they do whining about being paid more for nothing, the minimum wage wouldn't be a consideration. They put more effort into whining about what they aren't getting than they do when it comes to providing skills that produce a higher wage. Someone needs to explain to them that if you're doing a job that millions upon million upon million . . . upon millions can do, the wages are going to be far less than doing something that actually requires a high level skill set.