leaningright (07-18-2019)
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One of the best responses I saw was "that's like saying Charles Manson supported Medicare For All so..."
I'm at a loss for this.
leaningright (07-18-2019)
dukkha (07-18-2019), Truth Detector (07-18-2019)
Soviet Union Put First Women, Asian Man & Black Man Into Orbit
This has the makings a really good joke!
Truth Detector (07-18-2019)
My two cents:
Nikita Khrushchev was no Stalin, he was no Hitler, he was no Pol Pot, nor even a Brezhnev. By the standards of totalitarian communism, his was an era of relative liberalization. The abuses of Stalin were condemned by Khrushchev, and people who had wrongly been sent to the Gulag were released and had their names cleared, including some relatives of mine.
The communist party was always keen to use the propaganda of gender equality in its ideological war with the capitalist west. Hardly a shocking conclusion to reach.
Irrespective of what one thinks of the leaders in the Kremlin, the soviet space program was composed of human beings, some more admirable than others. The bottom line is that their space program had more than its fair share of brilliant scientists, engineers, and intrepid cosmonauts who made major contributions to humanity in the history of space exploration. I see no need to be petty and deny these Soviet citizens their place in the pantheon of the history of human space exploration.
What does it cost us to be gracious and acknowledge the role of Soviet women in humanity’s exploration of space?
dukkha (07-18-2019)
Even During the Cold War, Russian and U.S. Rocket Scientists Were Friends, But Now They’re No Longer Talking
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ddQGTBVtWtQ.99
Tensions over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula recently annexed by Russia, are beginning to have political fallout, with Canada, the U.S. and the E.U. leveling sanctions against Russia. Even NASA, says the Washington Post, has had to sever ties:
The memo directs NASA officials to stop talking to their Russian counterparts. That means no e-mail, teleconferences, or bilateral meetings of any kind. The only exception applies to the International Space Station, where astronauts must continue living with each other.
NASA led the way in the space race of the 1960s, and later served as the basis for peaceful cooperation between Russia and the United States in the 1990s and 2000s.
But, in the light of the very early history of space exploration, the decision to cut American rocket scientists off from their Russian counterparts is even more striking.
On October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union launched Sputnik 1. The little beeping satellite came out of nowhere. It surprised the world, terrified Americans, and single-handedly sparked the Space Race. Or, at least, that's the story we tell ourselves.
In his 2011 memoirs, rocket scientist George Ludwig, the man who under James Van Allen in the 1950s designed and built the instrument suite for Explorer 1, the United States' first satellite, describes a meeting held in Washington, D.C. From September 30th to October 5th, 1957, scientists participating in the International Geophysical Year gathered to discuss rockets, satellites, and all other manner of space research.
During the discussion following the oral presentation of one of the technical papers, a Soviet delegate made a passing comment about the timing for the first satellite launch. The Russian word was translated at the time as soon, which was taken by the listeners to mean soon on the time scale of the IGY. A more accurate translation of the Russian word would have tipped us off that the Soviet launch was imminent, literally, due at any moment. Having missed that subtlety, we did not anticipate that the first launch would occur only a few days later.
Not only were Soviet rocket scientists more than willing to share their secrets with U.S. scientists, Sputnik's existence was spurred, to a large extent, by the research aims of the International Geophysical Year, a collaborative research program that included both U.S. and Soviet researchers, says Ludwig. Scientists had an idea Sputnik was coming, even if everyone else seemed shocked.
Later still, space scientists carried their bonds through Cold War tensions.
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such a damn shame what we have done to US/west/Russian relations because of Crimea.
And the really really bad part of it -was John Mccain and Vicky Nuland were in Independence square to make sure they fomented a revolution.
damn Mccain to hell.
Sailor (07-18-2019)
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