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    Default Fear: The Reason Evangelicals Continue To Support Trump As He Undermines Their Faith.

    By David French June 27, 2019
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    (French is a TIME columnist. A lawyer and senior fellow at the National Review Institute, he is a best-selling author whose next book will be The Great American Divorce.)

    "On June 21, the writer E. Jean Carroll came forward with a vivid and disturbing claim that Donald Trump raped her in a department store in the 1990s. She is the 22nd woman to allege that Trump committed acts of sexual misconduct. These claims are more extensive and more corroborated than the accusations against Bill Clinton.

    It’s worth contrasting Trump, who denied Carroll’s claim (as well as his other accusers’), with Clinton because his scandals helped spur the Southern Baptist Convention in 1998 to issue its seminal “Resolution on Moral Character of Public Officials.” That document’s key statement was ominous and unequivocal: “Tolerance of serious wrong by leaders sears the conscience of the culture, spawns unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and surely results in God’s judgment.”

    The relentless drumbeat of claims against Trump–combined with the clear moral declarations of the past–have caused millions of Americans to look at their evangelical fellow citizens and ask, simply: Why? Why have you abandoned your previous commitment to political character to embrace Donald Trump?

    Part of the explanation is undeniably basic partisanship and ambition. White evangelicals are largely Republican, and they’re generally going to vote for Republicans. And proximity to power has always had its attractions for religious charlatans of all stripes. But I’d suggest the real reason for the breadth and depth of evangelical support is deeper and–perversely–even more destructive to its religious witness.

    That reason is fear.

    Talk to engaged evangelicals, and fear is all too often a dominant theme of their political life. The church is under siege from a hostile culture. Religious institutions are under legal attack from progressives. The left wants nuns to facilitate access to abortifacients and contraceptives, it wants Christian adoption agencies to compromise their conscience or close, and it even casts into doubt the tax exemptions of religious education institutions if they adhere to traditional Christian sexual ethics."

    Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    By David French June 27, 2019
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    (French is a TIME columnist. A lawyer and senior fellow at the National Review Institute, he is a best-selling author whose next book will be The Great American Divorce.)

    "On June 21, the writer E. Jean Carroll came forward with a vivid and disturbing claim that Donald Trump raped her in a department store in the 1990s. She is the 22nd woman to allege that Trump committed acts of sexual misconduct. These claims are more extensive and more corroborated than the accusations against Bill Clinton.

    It’s worth contrasting Trump, who denied Carroll’s claim (as well as his other accusers’), with Clinton because his scandals helped spur the Southern Baptist Convention in 1998 to issue its seminal “Resolution on Moral Character of Public Officials.” That document’s key statement was ominous and unequivocal: “Tolerance of serious wrong by leaders sears the conscience of the culture, spawns unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and surely results in God’s judgment.”

    The relentless drumbeat of claims against Trump–combined with the clear moral declarations of the past–have caused millions of Americans to look at their evangelical fellow citizens and ask, simply: Why? Why have you abandoned your previous commitment to political character to embrace Donald Trump?

    Part of the explanation is undeniably basic partisanship and ambition. White evangelicals are largely Republican, and they’re generally going to vote for Republicans. And proximity to power has always had its attractions for religious charlatans of all stripes. But I’d suggest the real reason for the breadth and depth of evangelical support is deeper and–perversely–even more destructive to its religious witness.

    That reason is fear.

    Talk to engaged evangelicals, and fear is all too often a dominant theme of their political life. The church is under siege from a hostile culture. Religious institutions are under legal attack from progressives. The left wants nuns to facilitate access to abortifacients and contraceptives, it wants Christian adoption agencies to compromise their conscience or close, and it even casts into doubt the tax exemptions of religious education institutions if they adhere to traditional Christian sexual ethics."

    Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith
    Fear is the foundation of religion.

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    It is also money. The Repubs give huge breaks to billionaires including breaks for private jets. They get a lot of money from the Repugs so they will sell their souls for that.

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    Hello Gonzomin,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    It is also money. The Repubs give huge breaks to billionaires including breaks for private jets. They get a lot of money from the Repugs so they will sell their souls for that.
    It is true, although I would never use a derogatory term for others. In my view there is no point in that because it cheapens the message and is not needed as we have the high ground.

    The moral Anti-Trump America has the high ground. Our message is all we need to lay the blame on Republicans.

    The TRUTH is the deepest cut.

    Using disrespect actually distracts from our greatest weapon, simply pointing out the truth.

    You are right. The Republican party has become a hopeless tool for the greedy billionaire class.

    They are sick.

    They are addicted to big money.

    They can never get enough.

    Their money fuels a vast mechanism designed to get them more money.

    That mechanism has seized upon the ugliness of Trump to get what it wants.

    That mechanism has exposed the false claims of morality of the Republican party.

    They can no longer talk about family values.

    They can no longer talk about the spiraling debt.

    The Republican party has lost it's way.

    If it ever had one.

    Our message is more powerful than any disrespect.

    We have the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    By David French June 27, 2019
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    (French is a TIME columnist. A lawyer and senior fellow at the National Review Institute, he is a best-selling author whose next book will be The Great American Divorce.)

    "On June 21, the writer E. Jean Carroll came forward with a vivid and disturbing claim that Donald Trump raped her in a department store in the 1990s. She is the 22nd woman to allege that Trump committed acts of sexual misconduct. These claims are more extensive and more corroborated than the accusations against Bill Clinton.

    It’s worth contrasting Trump, who denied Carroll’s claim (as well as his other accusers’), with Clinton because his scandals helped spur the Southern Baptist Convention in 1998 to issue its seminal “Resolution on Moral Character of Public Officials.” That document’s key statement was ominous and unequivocal: “Tolerance of serious wrong by leaders sears the conscience of the culture, spawns unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and surely results in God’s judgment.”

    The relentless drumbeat of claims against Trump–combined with the clear moral declarations of the past–have caused millions of Americans to look at their evangelical fellow citizens and ask, simply: Why? Why have you abandoned your previous commitment to political character to embrace Donald Trump?

    Part of the explanation is undeniably basic partisanship and ambition. White evangelicals are largely Republican, and they’re generally going to vote for Republicans. And proximity to power has always had its attractions for religious charlatans of all stripes. But I’d suggest the real reason for the breadth and depth of evangelical support is deeper and–perversely–even more destructive to its religious witness.

    That reason is fear.

    Talk to engaged evangelicals, and fear is all too often a dominant theme of their political life. The church is under siege from a hostile culture. Religious institutions are under legal attack from progressives. The left wants nuns to facilitate access to abortifacients and contraceptives, it wants Christian adoption agencies to compromise their conscience or close, and it even casts into doubt the tax exemptions of religious education institutions if they adhere to traditional Christian sexual ethics."

    Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith
    Ummm, those are legitimate concerns, not fears. Leftist lunatics like you argue in favor of those things on a regular basis. Sooo, what does Trump have to do with that? Why do you mischaracterize legitimate concerns as "irrational fear"? Because that's all libs do, lie, and fear monger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Fear is the foundation of religion.
    Not in the sense you think it is. How is that very different from the religion of liberalism? You and your ilk are the Kings of fear mongering. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    It is also money. The Repubs give huge breaks to billionaires including breaks for private jets. They get a lot of money from the Repugs so they will sell their souls for that.
    It's called a tax write off. What, you don't take every tax deduction you're due? Why are libs so concerned about what "teh rich" do? How does a business tax deduction for a private jet affect you? Geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Fear is the foundation of religion.
    Why do you fear the religious? Or is it just a hatred of us?
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Why do you fear the religious? Or is it just a hatred of us?
    It's hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's called a tax write off. What, you don't take every tax deduction you're due? Why are libs so concerned about what "teh rich" do? How does a business tax deduction for a private jet affect you? Geez.

    He's too stupid to understand a tax cut at, say 2%, will be more at a higher income than a lower one. It is still 2% across the board.
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    Organized religion creates the Perfect scaffolding for the evil to climb to power over others


    religion is Fine

    believe whatever your soul feels


    DO NOT ORGANIZE


    It destroys religion


    it hands the power of belief to another human instead of your own heart


    evil is always in Organized religion


    its the perfect petri dish for evil power

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's called a tax write off. What, you don't take every tax deduction you're due? Why are libs so concerned about what "teh rich" do? How does a business tax deduction for a private jet affect you? Geez.

    It is a tax write off that is specifically designed to help certain very wealthy people who do not need it. It is giving money to millionaires and wealthy people. Those tax breaks take money from the treasury.
    Are you really that stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    It is a tax write off that is specifically designed to help certain very wealthy people who do not need it. It is giving money to millionaires and wealthy people. Those tax breaks take money from the treasury.
    Are you really that stupid?
    Keeping your own money doesn't "take" anything. Are you really that stupid?
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    Hello Phantasmal,

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Fear is the foundation of religion.
    It certainly plays it's part in Christianity.

    The Bible is the 'good book' for them.

    But for them the good part doesn't begin until the second half.

    The first part is fairly loaded with some pretty horrible things to be afraid of if you don't believe.

    Trump violates the Ten Commandments at will.

    Trump walked in on nude teens dressing for a beauty pageant.

    Can you imagine if one of those little girls had a cross on a chain around her neck?

    The sooner he seen her he was no saner but a sinner.
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