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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Example 1:

    I was in a KMart store back when they still had one in my parts and I wanted a small bottle of Propane Fuel. These are used for camp stoves and also as a tool for a propane torch. What I found was an awakening. Propane bottles were offered in both sections of the store, camping supplies and the tools area. But the same product was priced differently depending on which isle it was displayed on!

    If a customer is handy with tools and uses these for both work and camping, the lower price could be found in the tool section. If the customer is not smart enough to know the product has dual usage, and only thinks of it as a camping need, that customer pays a higher price for the same exact product.

    KMart corporation was perfectly willing to take advantage of the stupidity of any customer who didn't know the difference.

    Example 2:

    I have been in grocery and other stores where a product is displayed at one price, but when taken up to the register, it rings at a higher price. If a customer is not smart enough to verify that the product was falsely displayed, that customer pays more than needed.

    Example 3:

    I looked something up online and found a local store in which it was available for pickup at Target. I went to the store and found the item, but it was priced higher than the website price. If the item is taken to the register, it rings at the higher price. The store is perfectly willing to take advantage of any unsuspecting customer who did not check the online price.

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    In all of the above examples, if the customer goes to the service counter and complains, the store will relent and then offer the lower price. But the customer has to be savvy and hold them to task in order to get the best price. Dumb customers who don't do this are routinely taken advantage of. The greedy corporation will gladly pocket the difference.

    These are just examples that I have encountered as one person. I have no doubt they are indicative of a far wider problem. These merchants do not have your better interest in mind. They are trying to rip you off. And they will gladly do it with a smile and tell you to have a nice day. They have their marketing systems all set in place to do exactly that, and the only way it doesn't happen is if you hold them to task. It is systematic wealth extraction from the unsuspecting.

    It is not enough for them to play fair in the free market and simply offer the best competitive price to all customers. That would be the neighborly thing to do. No. This is raw greed. Taking shameless advantage of the stupid. It is immoral.

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    This is the dark side of capitalism. We certainly don't need this kind of mentality in our health care, our education, nor in our prisons. We, the people, need to get the best price.

    We should all also routinely get the best price for our electricity, internet, phone service, and basic banking.
    Most people use all of these things and consider them a basic part of a comfortable modern life. These are not things we should be allowing big greedy corporations to systematically take advantage of the stupid. Allowing such systematic greed is part of what keeps the poor poor. These practices contribute to wealth inequality and hurt the USA. Greed does not make America great. It makes America chintzy.

    We can use our government to our advantage and ALL GET THE BEST PRICE for common everyday needs. All we have to do is make up our minds that we are tired of getting ripped off for being so stupid. It's time to wise up, America. We can take care of ourselves. We have the power. All we have to do is get organized and see the potential. Better prices everyday does not have to come from an entity which is trying to profit from you, rip you off, and has their own better interest in mind.

    Our government is not something we need to hate at all. It is a tool.

    Tools are wonderful, but they don't do anything for you just sitting there. You know how to use them. You have to utilize them in their most useful way. We could have such a finer country. There are a few areas in which we should reject capitalism and embrace a single-source method of delivering services. I don't think the government should be in the retail product business, but I do believe some services should be done by we the people and we can save a lot of money by cutting out greedy middle men and capitalist profiteers.

    I heard that South Korea has internet that is like ten times faster than what we have. And they only pay like $15 a month.

    People who walked into a store and found a product they liked at a price they thought was fair were happy to buy that product. They were happy then. But that happiness vanishes the moment they learn they paid too much and got ripped off.

    We are getting ripped off for lots of things. We just don't know it. We like our capitalism just the way it is and we think we are doing well if we get a good deal where possible. But then later, if we found out we were paying too much, we don't like that deal so much any more.

    We are paying too much for health care, energy, education, prisons, and basic banking.

    We don't even have to nationalize any of the companies offering these things. We can let them continue to offer what they have at whatever prices they have. All we have to do is create public options. We can do this for health care and all the other things. The Post Office can offer basic banking. (That's why Republicans are continually attacking the US Postal Service. They want it dead and not a threat to banking.)

    But the public option idea introduces a problem.

    If we have the non-profit government in competition with for-profit greedy corporations, they are not going to just sit idly by and compete fairly. They have already shown they have no interest in fair competition. They will use all their resources to undermine the government programs to try to make them fail so they can say: 'told ya so,' and get their peachy rip-off golden goose business back. They LIKE taking greedy advantage of the stupid. We are talking about big money here. We have to be united in this. I wish I could find a way to get people to understand the possibilities which are available to us. You have to get past your hatred and simply consider the possibilities and choices we have.

    Those who hate the government are never going to go along with this. Hatred is a powerful motivator. Those types of minds will come up with every kind of obfuscation they can to kill these ideas at any step of the way. Take this thread, for instance. We know exactly what is going to happen. I will get called all kinds of horrible things, and anybody who agrees with me will be insulted as well.

    But then, you have to ask yourself.

    Are insults really an intelligent argument?

    Or are they nothing but a distraction to try to get the emotions riled up and cloud reason and logic out of your thinking. If you don't have a good argument, the common retort is to inject emotion, change the subject, make it about insults and personal attacks. Mark my words. There were no posts in this thread when I wrote this. But you know it's coming. People who don't have a good response will lash out and try to kill an intelligent conversation that they are afraid of. Especially if it makes too much sense. Can't argue with sense? Then INSULT. Make it PERSONAL. Make a Distraction. Change the discussion away from what you don't want to hear.

    Just like the president is doing. Big mess at the border that he created, so he insults women of color in Congress. It's a DISTRACTION, folks. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. They great Oz has spoken.
    In each of your examples, you clearly show it was the fault of the customer. If someone is as stupid as you indicate, they deserve to pay more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    TD: "Using you and Politalker as the example, I would say that the population has not been educated, but rather, indoctrinated."
    Jack: Do you support an educational system that is based on payment? Every quarter needs to be paid for in advance?
    I believe that we were a better educated nation before nationalizing education and putting the Federal Government in charge. You and Politalker are evidence of it's glaring failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    TD: "Having healthcare paid for by someone else will never make anyone healthy."
    Jack: Like Public Schools, Public Health would be paid for by everybody.
    No Jack, that is not true. More than 40% of our population pays NOTHING. Less than 1% pay 40%.

    If you want to be more European, EVERYONE pays confiscatory taxes regardless of income. Would you support that?

    I repeat; having healthcare paid for by someone else will never make anyone healthy. I see you will avoid that FACT and continue to deflect and flail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Do you know when healthcare ceased to be a market ?
    Look up the price spiral and you will see it correlates to the advent of Medicare.
    Government is the problem, not the solution.
    You want the benefit of smart shopping without the effort. Convenience comes at a cost.
    link to your claims with some provable facts to verify them


    you have proven in the past to NOT DEAL IN FACTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I support a National Health Plan. The other industrialized nations do as well.
    Yet those living there are hardly healthier for it. IN fact, many DIE while waiting on long lists due to shortages of specialists, equipment, rooms and doctors. It is a shitty system. Did you know that after all these poor sobs pay into their systems and in taxes, dental care is not covered and must be paid for by those poor sobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    National Health Care may be the 'Big' issue in the next Election.
    Wrong again; Immigration is the single greatest issue. Nationalized healthcare barely makes a blip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    In each of your examples, you clearly show it was the fault of the customer. If someone is as stupid as you indicate, they deserve to pay more.
    Notice how they avoid the question of who is forcing anyone to buy those goods or services or work for less than they think they are worth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Do you know when healthcare ceased to be a market ?
    Look up the price spiral and you will see it correlates to the advent of Medicare.
    Government is the problem, not the solution.
    You want the benefit of smart shopping without the effort. Convenience comes at a cost.
    ^^ Gets it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    link to your claims with some provable facts to verify them
    you have proven in the past to NOT DEAL IN FACTS
    What would a lying leftist hack like you know about facts??

    Government Policy

    Between 1960 and 1965, health care spending increased by an average of 8.9 percent a year. That's because health insurance expanded. As it covered more people, the demand for health care services rose. By 1965, households paid out-of-pocket for 44 percent of all medical expenses. Health insurance paid for 24 percent.

    From 1966 to 1973, health care spending rose by an average of 11.9 percent a year. Medicare and Medicaid covered more people and allowed them to use more health care services. Medicaid allowed seniors citizens to move into expensive nursing home facilities. As demand increased, so did prices. Health care providers put more money into research. It created more innovative, but expensive, technologies.

    Medicare helped create an overreliance on hospital care. Emergency room treatment is very expensive, making up one-third of all health care costs in America. By 2011, there were 136 million emergency room visits. An astonishing one out of five adults use the emergency room each year.


    https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of...-costs-4064878
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    link to your claims with some provable facts to verify them


    you have proven in the past to NOT DEAL IN FACTS
    You are amazingly consistant in not doing so.

    Medicare born in 1965
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

    Scroll down and see the rapid rise around 1970 as providers found the bottomless pockets of taxpayers.
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...-changed-time/
    Just because you don't understand it does not make it bad. Celticguy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Notice how they avoid the question of who is forcing anyone to buy those goods or services or work for less than they think they are worth?
    No one is forcing them to buy anything. If they don't pay attention, it's not the fault of the store.

    Apparently they thought the price wasn't too high or they wouldn't have purchased it. Something my dad taught me a long time ago was that what's on paper doesn't determine the value of something but what someone is willing to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What would a lying leftist hack like you know about facts??

    Government Policy

    Between 1960 and 1965, health care spending increased by an average of 8.9 percent a year. That's because health insurance expanded. As it covered more people, the demand for health care services rose. By 1965, households paid out-of-pocket for 44 percent of all medical expenses. Health insurance paid for 24 percent.

    From 1966 to 1973, health care spending rose by an average of 11.9 percent a year. Medicare and Medicaid covered more people and allowed them to use more health care services. Medicaid allowed seniors citizens to move into expensive nursing home facilities. As demand increased, so did prices. Health care providers put more money into research. It created more innovative, but expensive, technologies.

    Medicare helped create an overreliance on hospital care. Emergency room treatment is very expensive, making up one-third of all health care costs in America. By 2011, there were 136 million emergency room visits. An astonishing one out of five adults use the emergency room each year.


    https://www.thebalance.com/causes-of...-costs-4064878
    see what happens when you allow people to profit off of a dire Human need


    this could be solved by single payer


    or some good old fashioned FETTERING of caplitalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    You are amazingly consistant in not doing so.

    Medicare born in 1965
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

    Scroll down and see the rapid rise around 1970 as providers found the bottomless pockets of taxpayers.
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...-changed-time/
    FETTERING

    SINGLE PAYER


    if the ONLY payer is the people as a whole


    they cant MILK the sick


    thanks for making my case for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    see what happens when you allow people to profit off of a dire Human need
    this could be solved by single payer
    or some good old fashioned FETTERING of caplitalism
    Single Payer would not solve anything. All it would do is give us a crappier system and confiscatory taxation as it has in other nations. If you had a brain and some history, you would know this. But being a low IQ crack whore, all you can do is parrot a Marxist agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    FETTERING
    SINGLE PAYER
    if the ONLY payer is the people as a whole
    they cant MILK the sick
    thanks for making my case for me
    Single Payer would not solve anything. All it would do is give us a crappier system and confiscatory taxation as it has in other nations. If you had a brain and some history, you would know this. But being a low IQ crack whore, all you can do is parrot a Marxist agenda.
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    The fucking Russian bought out republicans prefer Putin to this nation


    if many other nations can make it work GREAT


    why do you believe it would fail here?


    because you hate America

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