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    Recently, the subject of the JFK assassinatino came up in another thread here. I think it's a subject that deserves its own thread, so I made this one for the task. I'll respond to someone who was discussing it in the aforementioned thread to start things off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    LOL. I doubt the majority of Americans even know that the Warren report is let alone don't believe it.
    They may not have heard of the Warren report, but they don't believe it's conclusion, that is, that Oswald was solely responsible for JFK's death. From a Fox News article from 2015:

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    On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission (search) found that Lee Harvey Oswald (search) acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

    The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.

    "For older Americans the Kennedy assassination was a traumatic experience that began a loss of confidence in government," comments Opinion Dynamics President John Gorman. "Younger people have grown up with movies and documentaries that have pretty much pushed the 'conspiracy' line. Therefore, it isn't surprising there is a fairly solid national consensus that we still don't know the truth."
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    Poll: Most Believe 'Cover-Up' of JFK Assassination Facts | foxnews.com


    What's not mentioned in the Fox News article is the fact that in 1976, The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1963 and 1968, respectively. From the Wikipedia article on the subject:

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    The HSCA commissioned a number of expert scientific studies to re-investigate the physical evidence of the JFK assassination. In comparison to witness testimony and government documents, the committee felt that such investigations would particularly benefit from the scientific advances of the fifteen years since the Warren Commission.[1]: 19  Several lines of inquiry were followed to both reaffirm the single shooter/single-bullet theory as well as to disprove specific conspiracy theory allegations. The HSCA concluded that these scientific studies of assassination-related evidence do "not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President."[2]
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Investigations


    Less than 3 weeks ago, an article was published on Axios pointing out that a new poll was done regarding information the government has on the JFK assassination:
    70% of voters want JFK assassination records release, poll shows | axios.com
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    There is no way to access that poll to find out how valid it was. Never trust a news organization when it comes to poll results.
    Always look at the poll itself to find the methodology and see if it is biased or not.

    Once again, you prove you are credulous and don't try to find primary sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    There is no way to access that poll to find out how valid it was. Never trust a news organization when it comes to poll results.
    Always look at the poll itself to find the methodology and see if it is biased or not.
    Perhaps there's a way, but if there is, we don't know it, which I agree is unfortunate. I found another article, this one from CNN, with another poll, this one from Gallup, done in 2013. It talks about its methodology, so you may prefer it. The results were similar:

    Majority in U.S. Still Believe JFK Killed in a Conspiracy | CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Once again, you prove you are credulous and don't try to find primary sources.
    I look for the best sources I can find, given the amount of time in any given search for them. You're free to look for sources you find are better and post them here if you like.
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    Sealing most of the documents for 75 years is having it's effect. I haven't met a person under the age of 35 that gives a damn about the JFK assassination.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    LBJ orchestrated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Sealing most of the documents for 75 years is having it's effect. I haven't met a person under the age of 35 that gives a damn about the JFK assassination.
    I think it's understandable. For people under 35, the JFK assassination happened around a quarter of a century before they were even born at best. I'm a tad older than that, I'm 47, so I was a teen when Oliver Stone's JFK film came out. Perhaps even more importantly, my brother, who isn't that much into reading, but who had friends who were, gave me a book called Rule by Secrecy from one of the authors that Oliver Stone referenced for his film, Jim Marrs. Though to be honest, my questioning of official narratives started earlier than that, thanks in large part to my parents. My mother rented Silkwood starring Cher when I was just a kid, about the story of Karen Silkwood. I couldn't watch the whole thing, but it opened my eyes to the lies the government tells people. My mother was also an activist and did a lot of work concerning depleted uranium and its effects on Gulf War veterans from the first Gulf War in 1991, which was part of "Gulf War Syndrome".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAGA MAN View Post
    LBJ orchestrated it.
    I'm not sure if he orchestrated it, but I definitely think he was deeply involved in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenyx View Post
    I'm not sure if he orchestrated it, but I definitely think he was deeply involved in it.
    And the FBI/ CIA/ DNC had the evidence, wanted someone else as POTUS, so forced LBJ to not run for the next election.

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    I thought it was a conspiracy tillI read Death of a President by William Manchester
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    Everybody knows that Kennedy was whacked for accepting the help of organized crime to get elected, and then reneging on his promise to get the gangsters their hotels and casinos in Havana back.

    Ted Kennedy was the one who served his constituents well, which is why I voted for him so many times here in Massachusetts.
    JFK was merely a self-serving mick like his bootlegging-ambassador dad, took the help, didn't fill his end of the bargain, and came to the only likely result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Everybody knows that Kennedy was whacked for accepting the help of organized crime to get elected, and then reneging on his promise to get the gangsters their hotels and casinos in Havana back.

    Ted Kennedy was the one who served his constituents well, which is why I voted for him so many times here in Massachusetts.
    JFK was merely a self-serving mick like his bootlegging-ambassador dad, took the help, didn't fill his end of the bargain, and came to the only likely result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollyon 2023 View Post
    You're Assuming
    What else makes as much sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    What else makes as much sense?
    Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from the Texas Depository
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollyon 2023 View Post
    Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from the Texas Depository

    That is probably true and does nothing to disprove that it was a paid hit.
    Note how he got shot before he could talk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Everybody knows that Kennedy was whacked for accepting the help of organized crime to get elected, and then reneging on his promise to get the gangsters their hotels and casinos in Havana back.
    I disagree with you that everybody knows that, but I did hear that organize crime believed that JFK had betrayed them. I also wouldn't be surprised if organized crime was involved in taking out JFK, though I believe that if they were involved, they weren't the only ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Ted Kennedy was the one who served his constituents well, which is why I voted for him so many times here in Massachusetts.
    JFK was merely a self-serving mick like his bootlegging-ambassador dad, took the help, didn't fill his end of the bargain, and came to the only likely result.
    Even if JFK broke a deal he'd made with organized crime, that doesn't mean that he didn't have many good traits. That being said, I think we can agree that he'd made powerful enemies and that in the end, it was this that got him killed.
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