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    wow, how do you fucktards survive being this damned stupid.........i'm talking to YOU domer and stone...........
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Your whole narrative leads to a Christian understanding of God, which from there you applied to justify a quasi theocratic state, the exact thing the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid
    While it may be curious to you that America's founding principles are strongly related to a "Christian" understanding of a God, I find it most natural since most of our founders were either Christians or highly influenced by Christianity from birth. Actually I find nothing wrong with that, how about you?
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    So then it is the will of the ppl that fulfill/backup the guarantee? Not the "Creator" or government?
    So then it's actually humans either denying America's founding principles or remaining loyal to them.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    again, the constitution is nothing more than a legal document that provides the framework and powers/responsibilities of the newly created federal government
    Based in a set of principles guaranteeing unalienable rights by the power of a "creator." The issue & proposition is, there's no such thing as an unalienable right without the power of a creator. Thereby all rights are determined by Men & Men's laws based solely on Man's interpretations of justice as influenced by Man's biases. I prefer laws based in the proposition that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the courts are not made from God, nor do they represent God. they are administered by man and judged by man
    In America the rule of law as sworn to by every jurist is based on the proposition that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so when an innocent person is convicted in a court of God, he was on lunch break????
    Courts are conducted by fallible men sworn to administer justice based in the proposition that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. If a court violates that principle it's humans who were on a lunch break & a damned good argument for an appeal, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so if man/woman/men/women can deny rights, they are also the only guarantor of those rights as well, thus we have a jury of our peers
    Actually NO! Men cannot violate the constitutional rule of law that's based in the proposition that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Thus, it's the Constitution that guarantees and preserves unalienable rights. Our Constitution is volume #2 of our founding documents. The Declaration is volume #1. Volume #1 recites our reason & purpose as a nation, volume #2 is the the construction & enumeration of the rule of law as based in the principles of volume #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    True, which is why rights aren't unalienable. They can be taken away.
    Like Benjamin Franklin said, America is "a Republic.... if you can keep it."
    In America rights can only be "taken away" by a corrupt government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

    “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    The second paragraph of our Declaration Of Independence says it all. It reminds us all that without a “creator” there is no such thing as unalienable rights. Thus, our entire concept of rights being incapable of being taken away is only secured by a belief in a creator of all Men, as all members of the human race without regard for sex. It was those words that ended slavery and incorporated “All Men” into the concept of unalienable rights without regard for race or creed, but the concept of a creator is in and of itself unalienable to have the unalienable power to guarantee unalienable rights to all Men. Otherwise, all Men would have to rely on human government for any guarantee of any rights, an exercise in futility to say the least.

    Thus, to deny the “creator” is to deny any logical concept of unalienable rights. Think about that before you vote. Who among our politicians holds the concept of a creator as being a self evident truth? Who among our politicians holds the concept of all Men being created equal as an endowment of our creator? Who among our politicians holds America’s founding principles as “truths.” Who are the real traditional Americans? Who are America’s true patriots? If we know our history, we know the answers to all of those questions.
    "What's unalienable cannot be taken away or denied. Its most famous use is in the Declaration of Independence, which says people have unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    When has God ever stepped in to protect anyone's rights?
    Every single time our constitutional rule of law is respected, followed & administered & America's justice based on the proposition that all men are created equal and endowed by their "CREATOR" with certain unalienable rights, prevails!!! Next question!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Courts are conducted by fallible men sworn to administer justice based in the proposition that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. If a court violates that principle it's humans who were on a lunch break & a damned good argument for an appeal, don't you think?
    and how many people have been exonerated after a couple of decades????? how many innocent people still reside in prison, or worse, have actually been executed?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    IOW, your higher power is completely imaginary and has no actual power.

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    Imaginary, or not the power rules in the "imagination" of only Men who believe & it works so well, better than any governance devoid of a just and caring "CREATOR." You can no more prove an "imaginary" Creator, than anybody else can prove an actual Creator. What is provable, simply by common sense though, is the fact that all of CREATION, had to be "CREATED."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    Words. No God has ever enforced your "guarantee". That's always been up to us fallible humans.

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    Principled Men are the "CREATOR'S" enforcers! Unprincipled Men are progressive neo-communist, fascist & authoritarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhenn View Post
    Yet there are many countries where those rights do not exist. Where is the guarantor of those rights?

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    Damned sure NOT in their governments, huh? Apparently they have no just & good "CREATOR' nor the principles thereof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and how many people have been exonerated after a couple of decades????? how many innocent people still reside in prison, or worse, have actually been executed?
    Courts are conducted by fallible men sworn to administer justice based in the proposition that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. If a court violates that principle it's humans who were on a lunch break & a damned good argument for an appeal, don't you think?
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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