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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    The Constitution does govern our rights as they can be amended. Our Constitution is secular not religious.
    Amendments to the constitution can ONLY redefine powers to the government...........on another note, you are somewhat right....that only MEN/WOMEN can guarantee our rights.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    So you are telling us the Founding Fathers, a good number who were deists and agnostics, and who went out of their way to purposely separate Church and State, equated your 21st Century image of God with their understanding of "Creator?"

    I do believe they are referring to Locke here and his concept of natural rights, Platonic concepts existing in nature before and after man, notice they didn't specify God, rather "Creator," never implying the two were the same
    No….history actual points to the fact that our founders referenced BLACKSTONE in creating the Untied States system of legal jurisprudence. The "INTENT" of our founders is grounded deep in Blackstones political ideologies held within the "Commentaries on the Laws of England". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commen...aws_of_England

    Blackstone's principles are well documented as to have had their origins from sources grounded to the Judeo/Christian philosophy. https://www.blackstoneinstitute.org/...lackstone.html

    Ever read the closing line on the contract among the states known as the Untied States Constitution? In Article Vll the US CONSTITUTION states, "Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the "STATES" (take note...it was the STATES that drafted and ratified the US CONSTITUTION....the same states that ALL reference the God of Creation, clearly with no ambiguity whatsoever)…….in the seventeen day of September, IN THE YEAR OUR LORD (whose Lord? The STATES LORD)………

    Show us, present the documented evidence where none of the states that make up the United States of America.....never referenced the God of Creation in their Constitutions or preambles.....even today....all 50 states make reference to the transcending authority that created this nation.....GOD. Our currency states "In God We Trust".....our politicians swear an oath by placing their hands on the Holy Scriptures....our courts swear people in by placing their hands on the Holy Scriptures swearing to tell the truth. https:www.truthorfiction.com/god-constitutions/

    An inconvenient truth: Its the STATES that make up the United States of America....its the STATES that drafted and ratified the US CONSTITUTION....its the STATES that gave birth to the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT....not the inversion. All power in this nation rests with THE PEOPLE of these conglomerate of CITY STATES that send representatives to DC. All fifty of these states reference GOD in their own state constitutions. In FACT: The United States of America preexisted the US CONSITTUTION by 10 years.

    The free exercise clause in the US CONSTITUTION guarantees freedom "OF" religion....not freedom from religion. Why would the states (that all reference God in their state constitutions...forbid GOD to exist at the federal level?)….what the STATES guaranteed with the 1st amendment was the fact that the federal government was forbidden from instituting only ONE FEDERALLY ACCEPTED RELIGION such as was the circumstance in EUROPE where the state powers dictated one religion upon THE PEOPLE from ROME....controlling the states and the people and bringing such noble things as the Spanish Inquisitions and the War in the Middle East known as the Crusades.....when the actual scriptures never contained any such authorization for the government to force religion upon anyone. It was against the law for a lay person to even own a copy of the Holy Scriptures...only the church had access (in Latin) to the Holy Scriptures....that's what created the Untied States of America when the people of Europe PROTESTED and fleed to the new world...aka.,the PROTESTANT MOVEMENT.

    Read a little history actual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    most everybody knows right from wrong.
    This statement is made from complete ignorance. If I raised a child to believe that cannibalism is okay, they would believe it is okay. Morality is taught, it is not inherent.

    If this painfully dumb claim were connected to reality, we would not need criminal laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    that 'morality' doesn't come from any God or religion, unless you believe that agnostics and atheists who do the 'right' thing are closeted worshippers
    Then where do morals come from?

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    don't move the goalposts.........
    You're the one moving them.

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    are we going to now talk about who defines rights, or who/what guarantees them?
    How does one know what a right is if not defined?

    The Constitution is a document that attempts to guarantee them; but as we all know, in life, there are no guarantees. The belief in a higher moral order is far beyond that of mere men and Governments. It is what defined our Constitution and the principles it contains. That is what was meant by unalienable rights as defined by God fearing men.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Not until 1956...

    I think you ask a very good question..

    SO how is it guaranteed & what does guaranteed actually mean for citizens??
    I think you ask a very good question.

    It is only guaranteed by a national agreement as in the founding, that humankind is endowed/guaranteed with individual unalienable rights by a power higher than themselves. Name that power, the “creator” or by any other name the power is “JUSTICE.” Only as long as the nation’s majority believe that, does the nation have the possibility of justice & liberty, otherwise, Other Men in governing power will own our lives, our property, our liberty & deny our pursuit of happiness.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Amendments to the constitution can ONLY redefine powers to the government...........on another note, you are somewhat right....that only MEN/WOMEN can guarantee our rights.
    Our rights are not guaranteed by men and women. They are defined at a much higher level.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
    Author: Booker T. Washington



    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    All rights are alienable. And the words about men being equal and possessing rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were lies before the ink was dry.

    Gullible dumbfuck.
    Does your Mommy know you're playing with the computer again junior? This is an adult conversation!
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Does your Mommy know you're playing with the computer again junior? This is an adult conversation!
    Dispute the claim, cunt.

    There are no unalienable rights. There are no natural rights. There is no creator in the Constitution.

    Willfully ignorant moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The government.
    Nothing government does is "unalienable."
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post


    Find anything in the Constitution about a god, creator or higher power, idiot.
    Put down the computer and take your nap child! This is an adult conversation!
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    Put down the computer and take your nap child! This is an adult conversation!


    Your concession is noted, cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the constitution does not govern our rights, but outlines the limits of the federal government
    The Constitution is our "warranty," our "guarantee" in writing of our rights.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    over the last 50 years, show us one example of where God came down and guaranteed our rights....
    Every time our institutions delivered justice based on the principle of individual rights as guaranteed by a power higher than ourselves.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Blackstone shoots the religion of human secularism out of the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    The Constitution does govern our rights as they can be amended. Our Constitution is secular not religious.
    Rights cannot be amended, they're unalienable! Laws are "amended" to constitutionally guarantee our unalienable rights by the principles set out by our Declaration, the first volume of our founding principles.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    most everybody knows right from wrong. that 'morality' doesn't come from any God or religion, unless you believe that agnostics and atheists who do the 'right' thing are closeted worshippers
    Then you know where it comes from, right? Can you let us in on your secret?


    don't move the goalposts.........are we going to now talk about who defines rights, or who/what guarantees them?
    Yes! Let’s talk about “WHO” guarantees them!

    I contend unalienable rights are guaranteed by a power of “right” & “wrong” higher than any mental ability inherent in humankind. I contend that the founders in majority accepted & agreed on that concept/principle. I believe & find evidence that America is & was founded on the proposition that “all men are created equal & endowed by their “CREATOR” with “CERTAIN” unalienable rights.” If you know differently, I’m interested.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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