Another Primer on the 14th Amendment...

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President elect in 2020

Not going to happen; you can walk that to the bank and deposit it.

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OK...so if I get you correctly...Then we wouldn’t be able to build a wall on the North Side of the Ohio River to prevent hillbillies from immigrating into our State because that would be Unconstitutional?

Absurdity; the last refuge for ignorance and losers.

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Pure ignorance or stupidity.

Yes, that is a perfect description of your threads.

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The facilities are over crowded because of Rumpp's 0 tolerance policy.

LIE and LAME; they are overcrowded because of the Democratic Party of the Jackass's refusal to deal with the border.

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OK...so if I get you correctly...Then we wouldn’t be able to build a wall on the North Side of the Ohio River to prevent hillbillies from immigrating into our State because that would be Unconstitutional?

Show us the law that it's illegal for hillbillies to migrate into "your" state.

[Ralph]

Also, you see Kamila Harris was born in the United States and thus is a citizen.

Citizenship was never a concern for this politician......her problem is her SOCIALIST HEART attempting to garner power in a free market capitalistic REPUBLIC. Really....who wants the entire nation to mirror the failed policies of California, were people are shitting in the streets and living out of garbage dumpsters....depending upon the people of other states to support their socialist elite overlords?


Truth: The "republicans" presented her with 40 acres and mule when they ratified the 14th amendment and granted her civil rights with the 1964 Civil Rights Act...after democrats attempt to filibuster for 54 failed to block the act....after granting her the right to even vote in 1920...her being of the wrong gender and everything. The party that you are now projecting as some defender of her rights was the very same party that attempted to block all her rights that she now enjoys in this REPUBLIC.

Your biggest problem is attempting to defend lawlessness with the false premise that equates legal immigration with illegal immigration....and then attempting to feign outrage over some accusation of child abuse at the border station camps where these people can simply get up and walk away anytime they wish....unless some child gets rapped or sold off for prostitution....or gets knocked up...then the democrats would be the first to offer to KILL THE CHILD in the womb to solve this immigration problem.

Reality: The use of propaganda, race baiting, projection, and media manipulation is no longer a viable method to garner political power in this nation.....have you not heard, THE PEOPLE are now connected in real time to a thing called the INNER WEB with its instant information highway that circumvents all such propaganda? You know that form of communication that allowed Mr. Trump to take his message directly to the people and bypass the power broker media networks? AKA....the FAKE NEWS?

[Flash]

Hello Flash,

That's FALSE. Most appeared for their hearings.

Perhaps we should learn why there are so many homeless children on the streets? Try to improve the situation? Try to learn why so many migrants choose to leave family friends and home on a very dangerous journey with an indeterminate end? You know, go to the source of the problem? Or does that make too much sense. Sensible solutions don't always resonate with simple minded hateful xenophobes, and you know what? That's OK.

You are correct. Justice Department data shows 43% did not show up for hearings in 2015 and 39% in 2016.

We already know why the migrants make those choices--jobs, being coerced into joining the cartel, gang violence, domestic violence, etc. There is little or nothing we can do about those problems. We don't know how to remedy those problems in the U. S. much less Central America.

[StoneByStone]

Who's Kamila Harris?

She's the new poster child for Birtherism.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

You are correct. Justice Department data shows 43% did not show up for hearings in 2015 and 39% in 2016.

Thank you. It is true that most asylum seekers DO appear for their hearings.

We already know why the migrants make those choices--jobs, being coerced into joining the cartel, gang violence, domestic violence, etc. There is little or nothing we can do about those problems. We don't know how to remedy those problems in the U. S. much less Central America.

That is not true. We can do a lot. We have many government programs which have made a huge difference. Millions of Americans would be destitute without the Great Society programs and many others. Many American cities have seen a reduction in violent crimes. This is no time to give up just because 100% effectiveness has not been achieved. We can address those problems with effective solutions here in the USA and in Central America. We can help them, and in so doing, we will be helping ourselves.

We are learning that stringent drug laws with heavy mandatory sentencing have adversely affected people of color and the poor, and have not been effective in curbing drug abuse. We are learning that the US cannot lock up people as a way of solving social issues. We are learning that treating drug abuse as a crime instead of the illness it is leads to expensive and ineffective results.

Do we know everything? Are we perfect? Have all our ideas worked out the first time we tried them? Of course not, but that is no reason to stop trying. It only means we need to take what we have learned and apply it better the next time. If at first you do not succeed, the thing to do is not give up. Successful people know that the thing to do is alter your approach and try again.

These are social issues.

Taking care of society is in our best interest because guess we live in society.

[artichoke]

His testimony only referred to a pilot program with a sample of families crossing in recent months, not all immigration.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/homela...s-court-dates/

Attachment 10749

Using a new means of deporting people in no way nullifies the fact that 90% of them didn't show up. That's just stupid on its face. Grasping at straws much?

[Into the Night]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So.... All persons born in the United States are citizens.

Citizens shall not have their privileges or immunities abridged.
Any person within its Jurisdiction shall not be denied due process.
NO person should be denied life, liberty, or property without due process.



You see, all persons have a right to life, liberty and property unless given due process and it was taken away after that due process. We are denying immigrants of liberty without due process.

You changed the 14th amendment by omission.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ...

Such not only has to be born in the United States, they have to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Foreign nationals having babies in the United States does NOT make those babies citizens. Those foreign nationals are subject to the jurisdiction of their home nations.

Illegal immigrants are illegal. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their home nation. They will be sent back to that jurisdiction when caught. They are foreign nationals.

[Into the Night]

How are they denied due process?

They aren't.

[Into the Night]

They are being denied liberty without a hearing. Very simple.

They broke the law. You will be denied liberty without a hearing too, if you break the law.

[Into the Night]

doesn't due process mean that a hearing shall be held where a judge shall determine whether or not they might be granted refugee status and that upon a decree from that judge denying them that status, which they could appeal in a timely manner, a warrant may issue removing them from the jurisdiction of the United States and returning them to their country of origin?.......that due process?......you are right.......they were entitled to that.......and they got it......

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Any illegal immigrant claiming asylum is automatically denied.

[christiefan915]

Attachment 10749

Using a new means of deporting people in no way nullifies the fact that 90% of them didn't show up. That's just stupid on its face. Grasping at straws much?

Perhaps you can link me up to some reliable info reporting that 90% of all immigrants in, say, the last 50 years, didn't show up for their hearings.