Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive

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Can't really see why anybody would deny this but they will!! The usual arseholes have been banned

Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.

Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) “significantly increase average retail electricity prices, with prices increasing by 11% (1.3 cents per kWh) seven years after the policy’s passage into law and 17% (2 cents per kWh) twelve years afterward,” the economists write.

The study, which has yet to go through peer-review, was done by Michael Greenstone, Richard McDowell, and Ishan Nath. It compared states with and without an RPS. It did so using what the economists say is “the most comprehensive state-level dataset ever compiled” which covered 1990 to 2015.

The cost to consumers has been staggeringly high: ”All in all, seven years after passage, consumers in the 29 states had paid $125.2 billion more for electricity than they would have in the absence of the policy,” they write.

Last year, I was the first journalist to report that solar and wind are making electricity more expensive in the United States — and for inherently physical reasons.

Solar and wind require that natural gas plants, hydro-electric dams, batteries or some other form of reliable power be ready at a moment’s notice to start churning out electricity when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining, I noted.

And unreliability requires solar- and/or wind-heavy places like Germany, California, and Denmark to pay neighboring nations or states to take their solar and wind energy when they are producing too much of it.

My reporting was criticized — sort of — by those who claimed I hadn’t separated correlation from causation, but the new study by a top-notch team of economists, including an advisor to Barack Obama, proves I was right.

Previous studies were misleading, the economists note, because they didn’t “incorporate three key costs,” which are the unreliability of renewables, the large amounts of land they require, and the displacement of cheaper “baseload” energy sources like nuclear plants.

The higher cost of electricity reflects “the costs that renewables impose on the generation system,” the economists note, “including those associated with their intermittency, higher transmission costs, and any stranded asset costs assigned to ratepayers.”

But are renewables cost-effective climate policy? They are not. The economists write that “the cost per metric ton of CO2 abated exceeds $130 in all specifications and ranges up to $460, making it at least several times larger than conventional estimates of the social cost of carbon.”

The economists note that the Obama Administration’s core estimate of the social cost of carbon was $50 per ton in 2019 dollars, while the price of carbon is just $5 in the US northeast’s Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), and $15 in California’s cap-and-trade system.

Michael Shellenberger

I am a Time Magazine “Hero of the Environment,” Green Book Award Winner, and President of Environmental Progress, a research and policy organization.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...M#4cb6ba444f59

[Sirthinksalot]

I like your threadban list. But you should've banned the cunt domer76 twice. For good measure.

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I like your threadban list. But you should've banned the cunt domer76 twice. For good measure.

Yes we call that belt and braces security over here! Dumber 69 is an especially obnoxious twat, and so stupid that he thinks hyenas are indigenous to South East Asia.

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How renewable energy makes power cuts more likely

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...s-more-likely/

[reagansghost]

Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive

stupid shit hasn't heard of batteries ^^

[Bobb]

Solar consumes more energy than it produces, and therefore costs more and is bad for the environment.

Did an ignoramus say batteries? LOL! That just makes solar worse, as batteries are a waste that should be avoided.

If you want to reduce energy costs, turn off your A/C and change your lights to LED.

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stupid shit hasn't heard of batteries ^^

You're one of most ignorant posters of all time, on a par or even surpassing Desh. Batteries are just a sticking plaster helping to keep the likes of Elon Musk in business. Sadly this guy is one of the many loony tunes from California, luckily they are not all scientifically illiterate peasants. Micheal Shellenberger is that rare Californian who actually knows his shit.

https://environmentalprogress.org/bi...he-environment

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You're one of most ignorant posters of all time, on a par or even surpassing Desh. Batteries are just a sticking plaster helping to keep the likes of Elon Musk in business. Sadly this guy is one of the many loony tunes from California, luckily they are not all scientifically illiterate peasants. Micheal Shellenberger is that rare Californian who actually knows his shit.

https://environmentalprogress.org/bi...he-environment

I actually thought that Runeatic was the most ignorant about renewables up to now. He used to claim that hydro could be scaled up enormously to provide dispatchable electricity, despite me telling him over and over that he was talking bollocks.

Earlier this week an all-star group of energy and climate scholars published a scientific article in a prestigious journal pointing out that a Stanford professor’s proposal for powering the United States entirely on renewable energy sources rests upon a gigantic lie.

Over the last several years, Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio and Mark Ruffalo and many politicians have pointed to Stanford scientist Mark Jacobson’s modeling as proof that we can quickly and cheaply transition to 100 percent renewables.

What is the lie? That we can increase the amount of power from U.S. hydroelectric dams ten-fold. According to the U.S. Department of Energy and all major studies, the real potential increase is just one percent of that.

Without all that additional hydroelectricity, Jacobson’s entire house of cards falls apart. That’s because there’s no other way to store all of that unreliable solar and wind energy, given the shortcomings of current battery technologies.

The authors diplomatically call Jacobson’s lie an “error,” but it is in fact a lie and everyone — Jacobson included — knows it.

https://environmentalprogress.org/bi...he-environment

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I actually thought that Runeatic was the most ignorant about renewables up to now. He used to claim that hydro could be scaled up enormously to provide dispatchable electricity, despite me telling him over and over that he was talking bollocks.



https://environmentalprogress.org/bi...he-environment

We'll never know now, too busy banging his anvil.

[katzgar]

Solar consumes more energy than it produces, and therefore costs more and is bad for the environment.

Did an ignoramus say batteries? LOL! That just makes solar worse, as batteries are a waste that should be avoided.

If you want to reduce energy costs, turn off your A/C and change your lights to LED.

actually the electricity payback for manufacturing solar cells is 4 years this is something an educated person would know

[Gonzomin]

Solar is getting more and more reliable all the time.https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2018/06/...more-reliable/

[Gonzomin]

The variability is wind production is corrected by not going full power and using storage to smooth it out. https://digital-library.theiet.org/c...-gtd.2008.0639

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The variability is wind production is corrected by not going full power and using storage to smooth it out. https://digital-library.theiet.org/c...-gtd.2008.0639

If I had any doubt that you're a gibbering idiot then this has helped me enormously. That article is from ten years ago ffs, are you really that stupid?

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The variability is wind production is corrected by not going full power and using storage to smooth it out. https://digital-library.theiet.org/c...-gtd.2008.0639

Dated 2009 ffs, imbecile on steroids.

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The variability is wind production is corrected by not going full power and using storage to smooth it out. https://digital-library.theiet.org/c...-gtd.2008.0639

Do yourself a favour and watch this guy, he really knows his shit. Storage, what storage, please specify!?? Do you mean batteries, pumped storage or what??