Trump’s Foreign-Policy Critics Are Losing

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

That's obviously not true, since I showed here that I'm aware of the history of the Left and the Right when it comes to immigration.

you are not aware. you do not understand the different set of circumstances faced by Obama and Trump.

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

When Trump was running for president, he went after Republicans pretty hard. I find it difficult to believe that he didn't know both parties are corrupt.
And saying he should have listened to his instincts assumes that his instincts, after decades of being pure egoism, suddenly changed to start putting others first.

Basically, we have to ask ourselves which is more likely. That a guy who was amoral his whole life suddenly had a change of heart and was then tricked, or that said amoral guy is just doing what he's always done.

If you don't want to ignore Trump's actions elsewhere, then you have to pick the latter.

your terms are off base and inane.
Trump as POTUS is not the same role as he was when in business. trying to conflate the 2 circumstances is of little worth.

His goals are much different as POTUS then as a businessman -meaning his motives are as well.

I'm humoring you here -none of this is salient

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by jimmymccready

Trump is a failure, and McConnell and Ryan used him good for tax return.

Lissen' up, podjos, there will never be a Trump wall on the border: never.

Russia is laughing at him.

China is laughing at him.

Europe is laughing at him.

South Korea and North Korea are laughing at him.

Trump is a fool.

**StoneByStone** · 07-10-2019, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

you are not aware. you do not understand the different set of circumstances faced by Obama and Trump.

And you do?

**StoneByStone** · 07-10-2019, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

your terms are off base and inane.
Trump as POTUS is not the same role as he was when in business. trying to conflate the 2 circumstances is of little worth.

His goals are much different as POTUS then as a businessman -meaning his motives are as well.

I'm humoring you here -none of this is salient

And what are we basing this on? Why are we assuming that Trump felt it's ok to be amoral as a businessman, but not as president?

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

And you do?

you need to talk less and pay more attention..not an insult,, a word of advice

I just did explain the basicsdifferences

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

And what are we basing this on? Why are we assuming that Trump felt it's ok to be amoral as a businessman, but not as president?

morality doesn't exist. it's a value judgement that is only a matter of personal perspective

only actions and results matter. realpolitik

**StoneByStone** · 07-10-2019, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

you need to talk less and pay more attention..not an insult,, a word of advice

I think the same for you.

**StoneByStone** · 07-10-2019, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

morality doesn't exist. it's a value judgement that is only a matter of personal perspective

only actions and results matter. realpolitik

I'm not talking about objective morality here. Trump believed that as a businessman, all that mattered was making money. Why are we assuming he doesn't think the same about being president? Especially when his actions seem to confirm he hasn't changed.

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by StoneByStone

I'm not talking about objective morality here. Trump believed that as a businessman, all that mattered was making money. Why are we assuming he doesn't think the same about being president? Especially when his actions seem to confirm he hasn't changed.

because he is now a POTUS -he has different goals then just making money. no clue what you mean by his actions. don't care either.

al I care about is his role as POTUS

**crowonapost** · 07-10-2019, 11:01 PM

promising to take away your health care

What? Promising to take away your health care....

Like I need a god dammed middle man of insurance to fuck with me and my doctor over what is worth paying for. Fuck that. TAKE the middle man, of bureaucratic bullshit away. FOr profit bull shit. To be specific.
No. I damn well want them to take my non choice bullshit away. I want to be able to go to the doctor, give my universal government card and have it paid for out of my FAAAR cheaper yearly taxes of 500 to 1,000 dollars a year as apposed to 800 a month any. Fucking. Day.

Fuck YOU! Any mentality that thinks they are giving us shit on healthcare with the Insurance industry, is poison to the reality of this idiotic non choice healthcare.

Everything else is just dead bullshit.

**crowonapost** · 07-10-2019, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

because he is now a POTUS -he has different goals then just making money. no clue what you mean by his actions. don't care either.

al I care about is his role as POTUS

Trump has no role. He does not care about the principles of Democracy, he only cares about money, or more accurately himself. But you go on thinking he cares about the POTUS. Like a good fool.
I can always see a good lemming by their actions.

**StoneByStone** · 07-10-2019, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

because he is now a POTUS -he has different goals then just making money. no clue what you mean by his actions. don't care either.

al I care about is his role as POTUS

Based on what? Why are you assuming that his goals in one job are different than in the other? Especially when his actions as president perfectly match up with how he was as a businessman.

**dukkha** · 07-10-2019, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by crowonapost

Trump has no role. He does not care about the principles of Democracy, he only cares about money, or more accurately himself. But you go on thinking he cares about the POTUS. Like a good fool.
I can always see a good lemming by their actions.

you want some cheese with that whine?
To BEGIN WITH - it matters not what Trumps "motives are'- but Occams razor says he is motivated by what he ran for -the presidency and the power it gives to lead America.

as stated I care not a whisker about motives, only relapolitik and results

**crowonapost** · 07-10-2019, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

you want some cheese with that whine?
To BEGIN WITH - it matters not what Trumps "motives are'- but Occams razor says he is motivated by what he ran for -the presidency and the power it gives to lead America.

as stated I care not a whisker about motives, only relapolitik and results

I want vinegar with that cheese, wine you are not aware of. Your drink is the delusion that he gives a shit about politics or your ideology. Trump is about self. Always has been. Almost ALWAYS voted Democratic until he found the new mark, you.

Dumb ass.