Trump Fail: Climate Change Is Pushing Central America Immigrants North Toward The USA

[Stretch]

Hello Stretch,



There are some streets in Miami Beach that flood regularly at peak high tides. Migrants escaping climate change would be foolish to locate there.

Please don't explain to a Miamian how Miami weather and Florida's limestone base works again since I've seen water in the
streets there for 60 years on many occasions.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Stretch,

Please don't explain to a Miamian how Miami weather and Florida's limestone base works again since I've seen water in the
streets there for 60 years on many occasions.

The industrial age began before that.

[Eagle_Eye]

Trump has actually made immigration WORSE, not better. He promised to address the issue by building a wall (and getting Mexico to pay for it,) but instead, he has expected American taxpayers to foot the bill and made the problem worse. Most people do not like being lied to, but Trump fans? Well, they just look the other way and ask for more lies.

"It’s abundantly clear that climate change is a driver of migration to the US – we have the data, we have the facts, we have the human stories. Still, the Trump administration has done nothing to intervene in this root cause. In fact, the US government has systematically denied the existence of climate change, rolled back domestic regulations that would mitigate US carbon emissions and thumbed its nose at international attempts – such as the Paris accords – to curb global warming."

How climate change is pushing Central American migrants to the US

No thread ban on this one. My PIP is still in effect. Ignored posters may comment all they like, but I will not be reading anything they write, nor responding to it. I reserve the right to create thread bans at will.

At first you idiots were saying that we aren't giving South America enough foreign aid now it's Global Warming what next UFO's attacking?

[Into the Night]

Hello Southern Chicken,



This is of little solace to those who are hungry because the climate has changed.

But it does show that there is indeed climate migration.

Define 'climate change'.
Define 'climate migration'.

[Into the Night]

Thank you, The Texas Observer, for this short but excellent article on the subject. Here is a snippet:

"The interplay between climate change and migration can be complex. Many Central Americans displaced by hurricane or drought first relocate within their home countries (a rule that holds true worldwide). They often face gang violence, marginal employment and racial discrimination. When they later flee to Mexico or the United States, García said, the original cause of their displacement is obscured, leading to an undercount of climate-driven refugees."

Buzzword fallacy.

Define 'climate change'.

[Into the Night]

Hello Southern Chicken,



Thanks for that article. Very interesting. Let me just zero in on the pertinent part...

"The Trump administration has proposed halving Feed the Future’s total budget for agricultural development programs from more than $1 billion this year to $500 million next year."

Works for me. The federal government no authority to implement such a program in the first place.

Let them eat cake.

Any lack of money for the Funding the 'Feed the Future' program does not prevent people from growing food.

It would make more sense ultimately if those remaining funds were all spent on free birth control for the areas with more people than capacity to feed themselves.

What if YOU were that aborted child?

Now you justify murder.

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They grow enough food to feed themselves... no cake is necessary

They can also make their own cake if they desire! They can feed themselves, have their cake, and eat it, too!

[Into the Night]

Hello Southern Chicken,



Had you read the article I linked in post 53 you would have learned that it is not so simple. Even in an area with increasing industrial food production, those who cannot afford it are relegated to sustenance farming. For a sustenance farmer, every year needs to be a good year. If they can't grow enough food, they face starvation or a decision to relocate where they might find work. Often they try to relocate within their own country. But if they place which is available for that is under gang control, they find that life impossible, and then make the decision to flee far away to a place such as the USA.

A climate change flood, drought or wildfire can wreak havoc on sustenance farmers, and ultimately force them to flee long distance in search of a viable existence. Especially if the first place they flee to holds less promise than the place they left.

Food is extremely cheap in the United States, moron. No one is starving, not even the homeless.

Define 'climate change'.

[Into the Night]

Hello Stretch,



A silly thing to say. Climate change is affecting the entire planet, but it affects different regions in different ways.

Define 'climate change'. There is no such thing as a global climate.

"Climate change will transform more than 143 million people into “climate migrants” escaping crop failure, water scarcity, and sea-level rise, a new World Bank report concludes.

Define 'climate change'.

Most of this population shift will take place in Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia, and Latin America—three “hot spots” that represent 55 percent of the developing world’s populations."

Define 'climate change'.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...orld-bank-spd/

Obviously, you are just cutting and pasting from propaganda sources.

Define 'climate change'.

[Into the Night]

Reading about the expected worldwide and US climate migration numbers is very grim:

Define 'climate migration'. Define 'climate change'.

"From Dhaka to Miami, it is almost certain that migration will continue to spike over the coming decades.

Define 'climate migration.

Unless immediate climate action

Define 'climate action'.

is taken to keep average temperature increases below the 2°C threshold,

Define 'global warming'. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

we will see cities in Africa overcome by advancing desertification

What advancing desertification?

and coastal regions submerged by rising sea levels

What rising sea levels? It is not possible to measure the global sea level.

and increasingly regular natural disasters.

No one is monitoring the number of natural disasters in the world.

Scholars have emphasized the need for migration planning:

Scholars are not gods. Anyone blaming 'climate change' for 'climate migration' because 'climate action' has not been done is just making a void argument fallacy. You have to define these terms before they mean anything.

“whether movement occurs within or between countries, there is a need to prepare for it and in some cases enable it.”

I'll be your Holy Entrails told you this, didn't they?

Heightened investment would be a logical place to start in adapting to, and mitigating, this challenge. Funding more climate resilient

Define 'climate resilient'.

infrastructure projects such as better flood defences

Defenses. There is no 'c'. Why is a project like this 'climate resilient'?

would, for example, protect millions from inundation in Bangladesh.

Flood control projects can be useful, yes.

Moreover, promoting spending for the development of resource management techniques and enhanced access to water resources in Chad could fortify livelihoods and prevent further violence.

The Chad government is often the cause of this violence, dumbass.

The governments in question are unlikely to fund these efforts on their own, but there are many international organisations working to provide assistance for disaster relief and water security. Greater cooperation between these entities is therefore vital.

That's rather difficult with all the religious wars and clan wars in the region.

Bangladesh, Chad, and the United States are all suffering from a lack of climate resilience.

Define 'climate resilience'.

They are by no means the only examples.

Examples of what? Define 'climate resilience'.

Government research predicts that urban coastal floodplains around the world will see enormous damage over the next three decades,

What government research? Why would anyone believe government Holy Entrails?

with Asian megacities like Calcutta, Bangkok, and Guangzhou expected to suffer the worst displacement.

What displacement? From what?

Nevertheless, status quo-oriented pragmatism is the order of the day. In the face of the massive challenges detailed above, states cannot sit back any longer – they simply do not have the time to continue kicking the can down the road.

What challenges?

While it is increasingly impossible to ignore the issue of migration, mitigating its effects is not."

Define 'climate migration'.

Climate Migration: A Growing Global Crisis

Ah..so you are cut and pasting from another propaganda site.

Guess what? Until you define 'climate change', 'climate action', and 'climate migration', you are just cut and pasting void argument fallacies from propaganda and religious sites.

[Into the Night]

Hello Stretch,



There are some streets in Miami Beach that flood regularly at peak high tides. Migrants escaping climate change would be foolish to locate there.

They always have, dumbass.

[Into the Night]

It's ' changing climate'. Now fuck off, you repetitive troll.

Circular definition. You cannot define 'climate change' as 'climate change'. Try again.

[Earl]

“While Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and her friends in the media, are quintupling down on comparing American detention facilities to concentration camps, a survivor of the real concentration camps in Nazi Germany is livid, and speaking out.

Ed Mosberg is 93 years old, and is one of the few people still alive who survived the Nazi camps. He lives in Morris Plains, NJ, and he spoke to the New York Post about the freshman congresswoman's comments.

"She should be removed from Congress. She's spreading anti-Semitism, hatred and stupidity," he said to the paper. "The people on the border aren't forced to be there — they go there on their own will. If someone doesn't know the difference, either they're playing stupid or they just don't care."

It's not just about the intent or the status of the people at the border, but the offensiveness of the comparison itself. Mosberg's whole family was killed, murdered by the Nazis. He was the lone survivor, and made it out of two concentration camps, Plaszów and Mauthausen.”
theblaze.com

This is what a concentration camp is.

[Into the Night]

Hello Southern Chicken,



Because it looks at the possibilities based on easily available information,

What information?

which could be more specific with detailed information from updated surveys and number-crunching.

News polls??? That's your information???

You expect them to guarantee a projection of future occurrences based on existing data they could easily get their hands on?

What data?

They used what was available and simply let the readers know that a more precise report could be produced with more specific and current data.

What data?

If you are predisposed to disbelieve the information

What information?

it is always helpful to try to discredit the source.
That appears to be the reason for posting such a rhetorical question.

Easy.

* Statistical mathematics is only capable of summarizing past or present data. It has no power of prediction due to its use of random numbers.
* Raw data MUST be available for any statistical summary.
* Raw data MUST be free of any biasing influences.
* Instruments, if used, MUST have their tolerances known and published, and their method of calibration and when must also be available.
* Only raw data may be used. Selection MUST be by randN.
* Normalization MUST be by paired randR. It is this procedure and only this procedure that eliminates out of band data.
* Variance MUST be declared and justified. For temperature, it is not uncommon to see temperature gradients as steep as 20 deg F per mile.
* The Margin of Error MUST be calculated and published as part of the summary. A simple average is utterly meaningless.

In other words, you are simply quoting people who deny mathematics. You deny mathematics yourself, and hence are unable to see their error. This is due to the fundamentalist nature of the Church of Global Warming. They deny mathematics and science. Specifically for science, they deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, just as you do.

You still need to define 'climate change'. No theory is possible (whether scientific or otherwise) based on a void argument fallacy.

[Into the Night]

Please don't explain to a Miamian how Miami weather and Florida's limestone base works again since I've seen water in the
streets there for 60 years on many occasions.

Heh. Florida used to be entirely underwater. Now it's underwater only part of the time! -Dave Barry