Democrats hate tanks at the National Mall but they loved them at Waco

[Jack]

Shouldn't you be using actual truth to reveal the fascists rather than lying about what happened?

There were no Helicopter Gunships or Battle Tanks used at Waco. Believe in things that aren't true at peril to your sanity.

"English common law has required law enforcement to knock-and-announce since at least Semayne's case (1604), and in Miller v. United States (1958), the Supreme Court of the United States recognized that police must give notice before making a forced entry.[1] In the U.S. federal criminal law, the rule generally requiring knock-and-announce is codified at 18 U.S.C § 3109.[2]"

A thousand years of "Your Home is Your Castle" was erased with the advent of the Nixon 'No Knock' Law.

"The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.[4] Raids that lead to deaths of innocent people are increasingly common; since the early 1980s, forty bystanders have been killed, according to the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C.[4]"

"The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.[4] Raids that lead to deaths of innocent people are increasingly common; since the early 1980s, forty bystanders have been killed, according to the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C.[4]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

I doubt you think you are supporting the Rise of a Fascist State.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I doubt you think you are supporting the Rise of a Fascist State.

No Knock laws are hardly the same thing as Helicopter Gunships and Battle Tanks which is the post I was responding to.

[Jack]

Then argue about what actually is happening and stop making up and believing shit that didn't happen. Arguing while using the actual facts is a much stronger argument than hyperbole and paranoia.

The fact is the Government could have arrested David Koresh as he jogged on Double E Road or was in town.
1. They chose NOT to do that. Deciding on a more Cecil B. DeMille Spectacular. 75 Stormtroopers, dressed to kill, storming a Farm compound filled with men, women, and children.
2. Once this backfired, the Government used every available tactic to induce the residents to "Come on out, we won't kill you".
3. After the residents were all killed, the amazingly efficient Propaganda Machine convinced the American Public that the 'residents deserved it'.

It's NOT surprising that the American Public is so accepting of Donald Trump. America is already halfway there to an Authoritarian Government.

[Jack]

No Knock laws are hardly the same thing as Helicopter Gunships and Battle Tanks which is the post I was responding to.

hahaha ... Well, you can believe what your eyes tell you, or you can believe what the Government tells you.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The fact is the Government could have arrested David Koresh as he jogged on Double E Road or was in town.
1. They chose NOT to do that. Deciding on a more Cecil B. DeMille Spectacular. 75 Stormtroopers, dressed to kill, storming a Farm compound filled with men, women, and children.
2. Once this backfired, the Government used every available tactic to induce the residents to "Come on out, we won't kill you".
3. After the residents were all killed, the amazingly efficient Propaganda Machine convinced the American Public that the 'residents deserved it'.

It's NOT surprising that the American Public is so accepting of Donald Trump. America is already halfway there to an Authoritarian Government.

Of course they made mistakes. That still doesn't create Battle Tanks and Helicopter Gunships.

Let's start there. You admit that there were never Battle Tanks or Helicopter Gunships. If you can't separate fact from fantasy, then there is really nothing to discuss.

[Earl]

Of course they made mistakes. That still doesn't create Battle Tanks and Helicopter Gunships.

Let's start there. You admit that there were never Battle Tanks or Helicopter Gunships. If you can't separate fact from fantasy, then there is really nothing to discuss.

You lost the debate...perhaps that’s why you are poor...you aren’t too bright.

[Jack]

Of course they made mistakes. That still doesn't create Battle Tanks and Helicopter Gunships.

Let's start there. You admit that there were never Battle Tanks or Helicopter Gunships. If you can't separate fact from fantasy, then there is really nothing to discuss.

Let's start at the beginning. Go knock on the fucking door. Hand the guy a subpoena to show up in Court.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

hahaha ... Well, you can believe what your eyes tell you, or you can believe what the Government tells you.

I do believe what my eyes tell me. Now if only you would do the same.

[Into the Night]

A little sad that the American Government used Battle Tanks and Helicopter Gunships on it's own people. Not real sure that's what my ancestors died for.

It wasn't.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You lost the debate...perhaps that’s why you are poor...you aren’t too bright.

Perhaps if you too had been early to bed and early to rise you might have achieved some sort of wisdom.

[Into the Night]

No Knock laws are hardly the same thing as Helicopter Gunships and Battle Tanks which is the post I was responding to.

No. They are the SAME THING.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Let's start at the beginning. Go knock on the fucking door. Hand the guy a subpoena to show up in Court.

They didn't show up with battle tanks and helicopter gunships either.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No. They are the SAME THING.

[Into the Night]

Koresh's followers were still in the home armed to the teeth with God knows what instructions. And let's not forget that the FBI gave them DAYS to surrender. Whether the flash bang started a fire that couldn't be contained or not, why didn't they come out before being engulfed? Who's the blame for that?

The Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and through her, the BATF and the FBI.

Political right wing BS making a martyr out of a pedophilic cult leader. GMAFB.

He may have been a pedophile and a cult leader, but the reason they went in there in the first place was to arrest him on 'arms violations', clearly violating the man's right to bear arms.

[Into the Night]

Let's start at the beginning. Go knock on the fucking door. Hand the guy a subpoena to show up in Court.

They couldn't. He broke no law. He had a right to bear arms, same as anyone.