California becomes first state to ban hairstyle discrimination

[Micawber]

It sounds like you're trying to avoid my point.

I didn't in the least. You made two points by the way.

1. Freedom of association
2. It's a sales pitch for the right and a loser for the left

I addressed both over the course of the last several pages if you are a careful reader.

1. Is a battle between conflicting positive and negative liberties, and I professed my belief your positive liberty argument is a figleaf over ugly prejudice
2. I agreed, and that your win is short termed and helped by hyperbolic bullshit and fear not reality.

And while I'm making these concessions, hasten to add none of these bootstrap brilliant private business moguls (LOL) , individual liberty dudes care to acknowledge
these businesses are open to that nasty concept called "the public." Apparently owning a business includes an absolute right to trammel everyone with whom
ones does business. Razor blade burgers on sale now! The second you concede one cannot do whatever the fuck one wants just because they own something,
that is the second that argument loses, because then we are not debating the fact that you are a prostitute, we are negotiating the price. I say not discriminating
against hair you hate that happens to be worn 99.999999 percent by black people is not too high a price.


You can't do business with the public and arbitrarily discriminate against blacks.. This is not a new concept, it's a refinement.

[RB 60]

So freedom is now for the right wing conservatives a one way street in which every tom dick and harriet can discriminate. How nice is that. Righties need to wear a hat that says 'we discriminate based on anything at all' so that we know who they are and just how un-American they are. We'll still serve them as we are still Americans, they on the other hand are....

Maybe you should tell that to the military or a hospital.

[Guno צְבִי]

Maybe you should tell that to the military or a hospital.

coming from a vocational school boy who never served in the military

[CFM]

coming from a vocational school boy who never served in the military

Still awaiting proof that you did. Until you provide it and it can be verified, your claims are dismissed.

[RB 60]

coming from a vocational school boy who never served in the military

coming from a racist bigoted cockroach who doesn't know anything about me.

[CFM]

coming from a racist bigoted cockroach who doesn't know anything about me.

I've been trying to get him to show proof of his claimed service. You'd thing someone as proud of he is, provided he actually did serve, would have provided it by now.

[RB 60]

I've been trying to get him to show proof of his claimed service. You'd thing someone as proud of he is, provided he actually did serve, would have provided it by now.

Someone with his racist and bigoted attitude would have received a blanket party on a daily basis.

[StoneByStone]

I didn't in the least. You made two points by the way.

You kind of did by using all of the racial buzzwords and trying to make it about prejudice.

1. Is a battle between conflicting positive and negative liberties, and I professed my belief your positive liberty argument is a figleaf over ugly prejudice

See this is what I mean. But ok, let's just say it's "ugly prejudice." Should the government force us to associate with people that we're prejudice against?

2. I agreed, and that your win is short termed and helped by hyperbolic bullshit and fear not reality.

You think this is a win for me? I don't want the country to reelect Trump and further head towards Fascism either. And it's hardly going to be short term. Look at what's happening in Europe.
And no, it's not hyperbolic to say that the Democrats are taking away more of our freedoms.

individual liberty dudes care to acknowledge these businesses are open to that nasty concept called "the public."

Sure, but we're talking about private companies, not public companies.

Apparently owning a business includes an absolute right to trammel everyone with whom
ones does business. Razor blade burgers on sale now! The second you concede one cannot do whatever the fuck one wants just because they own something,
that is the second that argument loses, because then we are not debating the fact that you are a prostitute, we are negotiating the price. I say not discriminating
against hair you hate that happens to be worn 99.999999 percent by black people is not too high a price.

Complete hyperbole. This is like saying we shouldn't even have freedom of speech, because we can agree that it should be illegal to threaten someone or yell BOMB at an airport.

Sure, private companies shouldn't be able to do ANYTHING they want. A restaurant shouldn't be able to poison their customers without them knowing. But comparing that to having a dress code is just extreme.

[PostmodernProphet]

wont be long till u are forced to hire this freak

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California public school teacher?.....

[Granule]

Another freedom taken from us. A private business should be free to refuse service or employment to anyone for any reason.

Another rogue extremist abusing our citizenry. Time to take it to the Supreme Court.

[volsrock]

coming from a vocational school boy who never served in the military

Has anyone not hired you because u have cock hair on your head?

[Micawber]

You kind of did by using all of the racial buzzwords and trying to make it about prejudice.




See this is what I mean. But ok, let's just say it's "ugly prejudice." Should the government force us to associate with people that we're prejudice against?



You think this is a win for me? I don't want the country to reelect Trump and further head towards Fascism either. And it's hardly going to be short term. Look at what's happening in Europe.
And no, it's not hyperbolic to say that the Democrats are taking away more of our freedoms.




Sure, but we're talking about private companies, not public companies.



Complete hyperbole. This is like saying we shouldn't even have freedom of speech, because we can agree that it should be illegal to threaten someone or yell BOMB at an airport.

Sure, private companies shouldn't be able to do ANYTHING they want. A restaurant shouldn't be able to poison their customers without them knowing. But comparing that to having a dress code is just extreme.

Of course it was extreme. That was solely to get us to the correct frame of reference. Now we can dicker over the details of our example. I eliminated the "my business I can do whatever the fuck I want" crowd.
The statute as amended by the law says


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201920200SB188

you will see an existing body of law exists and this is a small addition. Note that Afros were already protected by fed law.

I say it's good. You think an employer can require a black men to straighten hair, force him to die it blonde, part it on the left
and wear khakis and a blue button down if not hold a lantern to be "professional" if he feels like it.

Not a big deal, don't disciminate in ed or housing because of hair style. Let Kawhi be Kawhi. He doesn't need to look like Leave it to Beaver dude.

[TTQ64]

What if I want this refusal to do business? If it's a private company, why shouldn't I have that right?

Here's the deal you racist fuck.

You can discriminate against anyone you wish, for what ever reason you want...…..but don't expect to receive any tax breaks or special privileges.

You can't discriminate on the tax payers dime.

Racism needs to pay a price and you will pay that price in CA.

[StoneByStone]

Here's the deal you racist fuck.

You can discriminate against anyone you wish, for what ever reason you want...…..but don't expect to receive any tax breaks or special privileges.

You can't discriminate on the tax payers dime.

Racism needs to pay a price and you will pay that price in CA.

Sure, that's fair. We should have freedom of association and the government shouldn't be funding private companies.

[StoneByStone]

Of course it was extreme. That was solely to get us to the correct frame of reference. Now we can dicker over the details of our example. I eliminated the "my business I can do whatever the fuck I want" crowd.

But you do realize that it's a bad argument if you're going to use hyperbole, right? Like I said, you could also argue against freedom of speech this way.

I say it's good. You think an employer can require a black men to straighten hair, force him to die it blonde, part it on the left
and wear khakis and a blue button down if not hold a lantern to be "professional" if he feels like it.

Then you don't believe in freedom of association.

By the way, may I ask your ethnicity?