Reply With Quoteyou really don't know much, then. do you?Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders
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They use something from a comedy and pretend it's a regular occurrence among all gun owners.
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you really don't know much, then. do you?
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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I know 100 million people weren't so upset over Gordon Kahl being shot that they showed up with guns.
I know 100 million people weren't so upset over Ruby Ridge that they showed up with guns.
I know 100 million people weren't so upset over Waco that they showed up with guns.
I doubt you can find 100 million people that can even tell you what happened in those 3 incidents. You might find 1/2 million that have some paranoid fantasies because they don't know the truth about them but your claim was 100 million would be up in arms over LEO killing someone that LEO claims was a threat. That isn't going to happen in the real world. Most people wouldn't even see any news about such an incident since it wouldn't make national news. Most of those that did see the news would have forgotten about it within a week.
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i don't need to find 100 million people. 5,000 is all it would take to throw this nation into such chaos, it would literally fall apart.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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You would be dead based on your scenario. I doubt they would think you a martyr anymore than Gordon Kahl was a martyr.
Yes, the Oklahoma City bombing was the result of a few crazies who were responding to Ruby Ridge and Waco but it didn't throw the country into any chaos. If by some unlikely chance it happens like you claim, 5,000 people with guns won't throw the country into chaos. It might create a couple of days of heavy police presence and maybe even a calling out of the national guard but it isn't going to cause chaos where everything falls apart. Our country has dealt with that throughout history: from the whiskey rebellion, to the stand off at Wounded Knee, to the Oklahoma City bombing to the WTC attacks to the idiots with guns that showed up in Oregon to pretend they could keep the FBI from arresting people.
There is a rather long history in the US of crazies thinking that if only they commit some act all the other people that think like them will rise up and take down "the man". Charles Manson was one of those. Christopher Hasson another. No, people won't rise up if you threaten the police and they kill you. There might be a congressional investigation where the result being nothing is done about it. If needed, more people will show up with guns to help the police than fight them.
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"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
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...and he'll take as many as he can. I wouldn't blame him one bit.
Two men. Not so crazy. I completely understand his motive.
Yes it did. It changed the course of history.
They certainly would.
You really think so?
Each event you list changed the course of history.
Changed the course of history. The tax was repealed.
Was not a standoff. It was a massacre. One of many massacres of unarmed people in the so-called 'indian wars', largely started by President Jackson (a Democrat).
That bombing destroyed the Oklahoma federal building, which housed, among other things, the air traffic control dispatch system. The backup system took over and a replacement 'backup' system has since been rebuilt. The bombing was the direct result of retaliation against the federal government as an act of war for the events of Waco and Ruby Ridge since it appeared the federal government was in the beginning stages of waging a war upon its own people over the right to bear arms.
The resulting sudden smack in the face caused the federal government to back off for a while...long enough for Janet Reno and Clinton to leave office.
An act of a religious war. Not crazies, anymore than any other religious war. This war did not involve guns.
No, they showed up in Oregon to protest a rancher from 'arson' that was arrested for burning brush on federal land (to remove the threat of wildfire on that land, leased to him as grazing land). The fire improves the land. It was not a wildfire. It is designed to prevent wildfires. The rancher had already been arrested by BLM agents and served time. The protest worked. The rancher was set free. BLM was forced to back down, yet again. The protestors then voluntarily vacated the BLM offices there.
One protestor was shot in the back by an officer while out getting groceries. That was the only protestor casualty. No officers or federal agents were shot.
Bigotry. Those who defend the right to bear arms, the right to maintain the property they are responsible for, the right to worship (yes, even cults), are NOT 'crazies'.
None of them thought that. They were simply protecting themselves and those they cared for. The Branch Davidians, facing death by fire, chose to kill themselves rather than surrender themselves and their rights to the federal mob out there waiting for them.
NONE of them wanted to take down any 'the man'.
WRONG. Charles Manson was a bank robber and a murderer.
He is a bigot and a neo-nazi member. It is not illegal for him to amass guns. It IS illegal for him to war against the United States. Neo-nazis, while seeming to be against liberals, are actually liberals. They are their own enemy. They are bigots, violent, wish to impose their rules upon people by force, and advocate fascism, a form of socialism. They are just a competing faction of liberals against 'traditional' liberals.
It has already happened in the past. Perhaps you have forgotten Kent State.
A void argument and irrelevant.
Did you know there there are such things as corrupt police? Did you know that people DO rise up against them?
Last edited by Into the Night; 07-06-2019 at 01:53 PM.
RB 60 (07-07-2019)
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yeah, whatever. keep thinking that everything is ok in this country and that we're all happy, save for a radical few. I guess that's what listening to CNN and the view gets you. At some point, you people will get a real up close view of what guerilla warfare truly is. don't let it scare you too badly. and NOBODY is going to grab their guns and help the police fight back, the police would simply kill you too.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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You seem to be confused about the meaning of the word "chaos" and what changes history.
Something that changes history is not necessarily chaotic nor is chaos always something that changes history.
The election of Trump certainly is an historic event. If we follow your logic his presidency is chaos.
You aren't very versed in history.
You should google "standoff at Wounded Knee." It happened in 1973.
Charles Manson believed that he was going to start a race war. (Once again, you aren't very well informed when it comes to history. Try reading Helter Skelter.)
Your post is nothing but a long ipse dixit screed. You have no facts.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
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I never said everyone is happy. The reality is most people just want to get along and not rock any boat. History is filled with instances of people allowing horrific things to happen because they just want to live their lives.
I don't listen to CNN or watch the View. I prefer to use original sources for my information.
You think you can conduct a guerilla war in the US? Where exactly will you base yourself out of? Cameras and cell phone signals will allow law enforcement to quickly track you. You will have to go completely off grid. Eric Rudolph was able to hide out for 5 years. But he wasn't conducting any guerilla warfare. He was trying to hide and that was 15 years ago before the current technology. The only thing you would accomplish is giving the Federal government more power. When a group of people are killing others, people will be more than happy to allow the government to start using facial recognition in public places. Perhaps you and your fellow guerilla warriors can live in a compound in Waco. That would protect you from the Federal government finding and killing you.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
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no doubt at least 95% of people, or more, will stay quiet and hunkered down to not get involved, including those you think will grab a gun and fight for law enforcement.
as long as you continue to think things out in a conventional manner, much like your post is showing that you are, you will never be able to conceive of just how much chaos (without being caught) can be done with just a handful of men who have planned out their assault. One person in dallas killed 5 cops and mobilized nearly an entire department that was so terrified of that one person, that they used a robot with a bomb to kill him. Now imagine that instead of a single individual, it was 5 highly proficient marksmen with a plan that would assist in gathering a large enough force of cops in a centralized area so that there were more targets to start sniping?
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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A suppressor is not a firearm, and has nothing to do with how a weapon functions, Einstein.
Nothing like the IGNORANT deciding that they are "qualified" to determine policy for EVERYONE ELSE....
TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..
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There is little difference between liberal-tarians, and garden variety libs.
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I'm a gun owner and defender of the 2nd amendment. So please explain to me why bumpstocks that mimic fully automatic weapons are any different from fully automatic weapons that are illegal to own without a special license?
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A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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