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    A big night for Warren

    The one-sentence summary: Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) won.

    Warren was particularly strong in the first half-hour of the debate, when her answers — forceful, succinct and substantive — set her apart from everyone else on stage.

    During those crucial opening exchanges, Warren got to hit some of her favorite themes, including the misdeeds of the corporate world (“corruption, pure and simple”) and her advocacy of "Medicare for All."

    In making her case for the latter topic, she blasted health insurance companies for what she portrayed as gratuitous profiteering.

    Other candidates were often asked about their own positions in relation to Warren’s — a move that highlighted her status as the dominant figure on stage.

    Republicans seek to paint Warren as an overly bookish, professorial person, but she combated that image with an emotive answer on gun control — she referenced being asked by children how she would keep them safe if elected president — and a personal closing statement outlining her modest upbringing in Oklahoma.

    Warren came into the debate with momentum. She accelerated even faster on Wednesday evening.

    Castro has a breakout moment

    Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro has made immigration the central issue of his candidacy.

    Going into the debate, immigration was in the center of the news agenda for tragic reasons, notably a heartrending photo of the late Óscar Ramírez and his infant daughter Valeria, who drowned together trying to cross the Rio Grande.

    Castro’s passion and detailed knowledge of the issue was readily apparent — and it may help him to become the breakout star of this debate.

    Castro also got the better of rivals, notably former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (Texas) on the topic. Castro accused O’Rourke of not having done his “homework” — one of several bad moments for the once-hyped O’Rourke.

    According to an NBC News tweet, Google searches for Castro’s name spiked by a huge 2,400 percent on Wednesday evening. Going into the debate, he had been polling at less than 1 percent in the RealClearPolitics national average.

    He is almost sure to get a boost. The question is how large it will be.

    Democrats want red meat

    Moderates always face a challenge in primaries, and that problem is especially acute during the tenure of President Trump, an intensely polarizing figure.

    The strong audience reactions on Wednesday for Warren, Castro and, to some degree, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio outlined activists’ appetite for unapologetic progressivism.

    But the same dynamic was a real problem for Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) who is hoping to appeal to moderates, and perhaps, disaffected Republicans.

    Klobuchar’s skepticism about Medicare For All drew an icy silence in the hall, as did her cautious answer on decriminalizing unauthorized border crossings.


    O’Rourke's evasiveness on whether he would favor a top personal tax rate of 70 percent was met with a similarly flat response.

    It’s plausible that the broader TV audience might be warmer toward centrist candidates than the activists and party loyalists who make up a live debate crowd.

    But it’s also possible that the atmosphere in the hall predicts a broader desire among Democrats for a more muscular approach.

    If that is the case, it could ultimately spell trouble for former Vice President Joe Biden, the current front-runner, as well as the likes of Klobuchar and O’Rourke.

    Minor candidates struggle

    With the exception of Castro, few second-tier candidates made much of a mark.

    De Blasio perhaps did next best.

    The New York City mayor can sometimes seem low-wattage in his public appearances, but he was much more assertive and impassioned than usual as he made a pitch to the most left-wing voters in the primary.

    The Democratic Party “has to be strong and bold and progressive,” he insisted at one point.

    Others struggled.

    O’Rourke has never been known as a strong debater, and he had a particularly bad night, seeming to validate the most common criticism of him — that he is prone to vague generalizations and platitudes.

    Former Rep. John Delaney (Md.), Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, and Reps. Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii) and Tim Ryan (Ohio) failed to achieve any real breakout moments.

    The separation between serious candidates and also-rans became clearer than ever on Wednesday evening.

    Trump was kept on the margins


    One of the more surprising elements of the debate was that Trump was not particularly central to it.

    Naturally, there were questions related to some of his policies and there were some jabs at him, particularly in closing remarks.

    But even many of the attacks had a pro forma quality. Democrats seemed more focused on making a positive case for their own candidacies than trying to prove who could punch harder at the president.

    Trump himself was — by his standards — not particularly belligerent about the debate, perhaps because he was on Air Force One, en route to the Group of 20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

    Trump took time to jab at the debate as “BORING!” on Twitter, and to hit NBC News for an admittedly embarrassing sound problem that briefly disrupted proceedings.

    But he did nothing that really stole the spotlight from the Democrats — a fact that will suit those who are running to defeat him just fine.
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    I agree Elizabeth Warren came out on top of the 10 Candidates on stage. She showed she had the spunk to take on Trump. She's "with Bernie on Medicare for All".

    Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar, and Jay Inslee are the next Candidates I thought looked good.
    Cory Booker looked intense and impassioned. Came across as a 'good person'.
    Amy Klobuchar is from the MidWest (a definite plus over all the 'Coastal' people) and sounds more 'centrist' with a 'Free Community College' approach.
    Jay Inslee is mainly focused on 'Climate Change', which most Progressives see as an existential threat to Planet Earth.

    John Delaney, Bill DeBlasio, and Tim Ryan didn't ring any bells. Tim Ryan said "The Democratic Party has to regain being the Party of the Working Class". I believe THAT. He's from the MidWest and says the right things, but doesn't seem to light any fires.

    Beto O'Rourke, Julian Castro, Tulsi Gabbard may have a little life left. Tulsi Gabbard is calm, deliberate, steady, ... but seems to be a 'Pacifist' at heart. I don't think Americans will be Voting for a 'Pacifist'. Julian Castro seems focused on 'Immigration'. Other than that, I'm not sure where he stands. I don't think he's going anywhere other than a job in the next Democratic Administration. Beto, nice guy. Didn't look too 'Presidential' on stage.

    Tonight looks like the 'A Team' will be on stage.

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    I can't start watching all this shit,till about next May.
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    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    I can't start watching all this shit,till about next May.
    You do know this is a 'Political Forum', right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    You do know this is a 'Political Forum', right?
    Yeah!But it's just to damn soon to be running for President!
    Oh ,I know Trump never stopped running(can someone tell him Hillary isn't running).
    But to start all this 18 months out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    Yeah!But it's just to damn soon to be running for President!
    Oh ,I know Trump never stopped running(can someone tell him Hillary isn't running).
    But to start all this 18 months out!
    Democrats only get one shot to beat Trump. They better pick the Best Candidate to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Democrats only get one shot to beat Trump. They better pick the Best Candidate to do that.
    I understand that!
    Part of my problem,is I hate the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans!
    Obama spoiled me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    I understand that!
    Part of my problem,is I hate the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans!
    Obama spoiled me.
    This time around, you better make a Decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    This time around, you better make a Decision.
    It's an easy decision,whoever runs against Trump and is from the other party,I'll have to vote for,third party votes are a waste!
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    The clown show was full of clowns. Medicare for all, including illegals? Two trillion dollars. Socialism? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    The clown show was full of clowns. Medicare for all, including illegals? Two trillion dollars. Socialism? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    It's an easy decision,whoever runs against Trump and is from the other party,I'll have to vote for,third party votes are a waste!
    I like when liberals admit they stand for nothing, couldnt care less about the plight of the country, and are disinterested in debate

    talk to your friends and see if they can be this honest, bravo
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    Did I miss the question about criminal justice reform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    I like when liberals admit they stand for nothing, couldnt care less about the plight of the country, and are disinterested in debate

    talk to your friends and see if they can be this honest, bravo
    Trump is scum,I could throw a dead cat,whoever it hits,would be a better choice than Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Did I miss the question about criminal justice reform?
    Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.
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    What day is Michaelmas on?

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