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    "The Oregon state Senate closed Saturday after a “possible militia threat” from a right-wing group -- amid a broader drama over a walkout by Republican lawmakers over looming climate change legislation."

    "Right-wing groups posted their support for the 12 rebel Republicans on Friday, including one group -- the Oregon Three Percenters -- who joined in an armed takeover of a wildlife refuge in 2016."

    "On Friday, a spokeswoman for Senate President Peter Courtney told The Associated Press that the Oregon state police recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ore...blican-walkout

    Now could this be Trump's Second Amendment solution? Can't wait to see what happens if he loses in 2020 and preps his failure by regurgitating the "it's fixed" rhetoric again

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    best explanation of the issue i could find

    "Oregonian here.

    The reason this happened is because the state GOP is in complete shambles and is pretty much powerless to stop any kind of legislation introduced by Democrats. The last election cycle was brutal for the GOP statewide. Brown was re-elected as governor by a healthy margin and they lost enough seats to give Democrats a supermajority in the state legislature.

    Some of that legislation was very controversial (i.e. statewide rent control). But this recent piece of legislation (cap and trade) was the last straw for the GOP. There is a very, very severe urban/rural divide in Oregon. The urban/rural divide is a nationwide issue (and it could be argued that it's a global issue too), but it is especially magnified in Oregon because the state has strict laws that limit suburban sprawl. This means there is a ton of rural land and only a handful amount of urban land that the overwhelming majority of people live in. The timber and agricultural industries in the state reside in ruby-red counties, and they have grown increasingly angry over the fact that they are largely being drowned out by the vast majority of the population who lives in the Willamette Valley. They are furious over this cap and trade bill because they believe 1) it will severely damage what remains of their economy and 2) it won't come even remotely close to fighting climate change due to the fact that Oregon's emissions are so infinitesimally small compared to the rest of the world. Their only way of stopping the bill was to walk out and flee the state so the state police can't arrest them. The GOP actually did this once to stop a gun control bill and a vaccination bill, but they came back to Salem after Democrats caved and told them they would scrap those bills as long as they didn't walk out again. Well, turns out the GOP reneged on their promise.

    I am 100% for taking action at fighting climate change. However, this cap and trade bill is the wrong way to go about it.

    The yellow vest riots that ravaged France last winter in response to a fuel tax should be a serious wake-up call to any climate change advocate or policymaker who thinks carbon taxes are the answer. There are millions of individuals who are living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, and they simply cannot afford any more increases to their living expenses. How do you sell a carbon tax to society's most vulnerable? Energy is an inelastic good, meaning that people need to use it no matter what its cost is.

    The other problem is that carbon taxes create a prisoner's dilemma situation. Since this would be only statewide, our economy would be majorly handicapped against other states who don't have carbon taxes. How exactly is reducing our emissions going to help when a huge state like Texas has emissions that completely negate any effort we try to make to reduce ours? Or if a business moves out to another state where they simply pollute the same amount and bypass carbon taxation? We would be hindering our state for no good reason other than to make wealthy progressives and writers on Vox feel good.

    There is a reason why climate change is overwhelmingly advocated by rich cosmopolitans and almost no one else. Poor and working class individuals aren't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect of seeing their energy bills go up, especially when you consider that their wages haven't been coming anywhere close in keeping up."
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    best explanation of the issue i could find

    "Oregonian here.

    The reason this happened is because the state GOP is in complete shambles and is pretty much powerless to stop any kind of legislation introduced by Democrats. The last election cycle was brutal for the GOP statewide. Brown was re-elected as governor by a healthy margin and they lost enough seats to give Democrats a supermajority in the state legislature.

    Some of that legislation was very controversial (i.e. statewide rent control). But this recent piece of legislation (cap and trade) was the last straw for the GOP. There is a very, very severe urban/rural divide in Oregon. The urban/rural divide is a nationwide issue (and it could be argued that it's a global issue too), but it is especially magnified in Oregon because the state has strict laws that limit suburban sprawl. This means there is a ton of rural land and only a handful amount of urban land that the overwhelming majority of people live in. The timber and agricultural industries in the state reside in ruby-red counties, and they have grown increasingly angry over the fact that they are largely being drowned out by the vast majority of the population who lives in the Willamette Valley. They are furious over this cap and trade bill because they believe 1) it will severely damage what remains of their economy and 2) it won't come even remotely close to fighting climate change due to the fact that Oregon's emissions are so infinitesimally small compared to the rest of the world. Their only way of stopping the bill was to walk out and flee the state so the state police can't arrest them. The GOP actually did this once to stop a gun control bill and a vaccination bill, but they came back to Salem after Democrats caved and told them they would scrap those bills as long as they didn't walk out again. Well, turns out the GOP reneged on their promise.

    I am 100% for taking action at fighting climate change. However, this cap and trade bill is the wrong way to go about it.

    The yellow vest riots that ravaged France last winter in response to a fuel tax should be a serious wake-up call to any climate change advocate or policymaker who thinks carbon taxes are the answer. There are millions of individuals who are living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, and they simply cannot afford any more increases to their living expenses. How do you sell a carbon tax to society's most vulnerable? Energy is an inelastic good, meaning that people need to use it no matter what its cost is.

    The other problem is that carbon taxes create a prisoner's dilemma situation. Since this would be only statewide, our economy would be majorly handicapped against other states who don't have carbon taxes. How exactly is reducing our emissions going to help when a huge state like Texas has emissions that completely negate any effort we try to make to reduce ours? Or if a business moves out to another state where they simply pollute the same amount and bypass carbon taxation? We would be hindering our state for no good reason other than to make wealthy progressives and writers on Vox feel good.

    There is a reason why climate change is overwhelmingly advocated by rich cosmopolitans and almost no one else. Poor and working class individuals aren't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect of seeing their energy bills go up, especially when you consider that their wages haven't been coming anywhere close in keeping up."
    None of that merits a "Second Amendment solution," let alone even the implication of a "Second Amendment solution," in fact, such undermines the whole consensus necessary to live in a democratic society

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    Walkout worked before, no reason not to use it again to defeat stupid legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Walkout worked before, no reason not to use it again to defeat stupid legislation.
    It is not the walkout that is the topic, rather the "possible militia threat after Republican walkout" and the fact that the Senate closed upon the recommendation of the State Police due to the "possible militia threat after Republican walkout"

    Last I knew, such wasn't normal political reaction to legislation one didn't find acceptable, leastwise in a functioning democracy

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    They are being fined $500 per day until they return.
    That could generate plenty for the State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is not the walkout that is the topic, rather the "possible militia threat after Republican walkout" and the fact that the Senate closed upon the recommendation of the State Police due to the "possible militia threat after Republican walkout"

    Last I knew, such wasn't normal political reaction to legislation one didn't find acceptable, leastwise in a functioning democracy
    From what i read there was no threat only support for the missing senators.
    But to play along, thats what the wnd ammendment is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Walkout worked before, no reason not to use it again to defeat stupid legislation.
    Other states have sent the police to get politicians who refused to do their jobs. This is not new. They are getting paid, go take your vote. If you lose the vote it is as it should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    best explanation of the issue i could find

    "Oregonian here.

    The reason this happened is because the state GOP is in complete shambles and is pretty much powerless to stop any kind of legislation introduced by Democrats. The last election cycle was brutal for the GOP statewide. Brown was re-elected as governor by a healthy margin and they lost enough seats to give Democrats a supermajority in the state legislature.

    Some of that legislation was very controversial (i.e. statewide rent control). But this recent piece of legislation (cap and trade) was the last straw for the GOP. There is a very, very severe urban/rural divide in Oregon. The urban/rural divide is a nationwide issue (and it could be argued that it's a global issue too), but it is especially magnified in Oregon because the state has strict laws that limit suburban sprawl. This means there is a ton of rural land and only a handful amount of urban land that the overwhelming majority of people live in. The timber and agricultural industries in the state reside in ruby-red counties, and they have grown increasingly angry over the fact that they are largely being drowned out by the vast majority of the population who lives in the Willamette Valley. They are furious over this cap and trade bill because they believe 1) it will severely damage what remains of their economy and 2) it won't come even remotely close to fighting climate change due to the fact that Oregon's emissions are so infinitesimally small compared to the rest of the world. Their only way of stopping the bill was to walk out and flee the state so the state police can't arrest them. The GOP actually did this once to stop a gun control bill and a vaccination bill, but they came back to Salem after Democrats caved and told them they would scrap those bills as long as they didn't walk out again. Well, turns out the GOP reneged on their promise.

    I am 100% for taking action at fighting climate change. However, this cap and trade bill is the wrong way to go about it.

    The yellow vest riots that ravaged France last winter in response to a fuel tax should be a serious wake-up call to any climate change advocate or policymaker who thinks carbon taxes are the answer. There are millions of individuals who are living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, and they simply cannot afford any more increases to their living expenses. How do you sell a carbon tax to society's most vulnerable? Energy is an inelastic good, meaning that people need to use it no matter what its cost is.

    The other problem is that carbon taxes create a prisoner's dilemma situation. Since this would be only statewide, our economy would be majorly handicapped against other states who don't have carbon taxes. How exactly is reducing our emissions going to help when a huge state like Texas has emissions that completely negate any effort we try to make to reduce ours? Or if a business moves out to another state where they simply pollute the same amount and bypass carbon taxation? We would be hindering our state for no good reason other than to make wealthy progressives and writers on Vox feel good.

    There is a reason why climate change is overwhelmingly advocated by rich cosmopolitans and almost no one else. Poor and working class individuals aren't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect of seeing their energy bills go up, especially when you consider that their wages haven't been coming anywhere close in keeping up."
    Tough shit. That’s the way a representative form of government works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Other states have sent the police to get politicians who refused to do their jobs. This is not new. They are getting paid, go take your vote. If you lose the vote it is aas it should be.,
    The beauty of it is that they need only remain away a matter of a few days since there is a date by which the vote must come. The left shot their foot off there.
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    I am sure the State senate cannot stayed closed forever as a result of putrid threats from domestic terrorist who think they can intimidate how the state is run and intimidating the state into recruiting domestic terrorist like them to take some barbaric legislative role. The worse thing in the world is to back down on these uncivilized and worthless terrorist but to resist them and by whatever means necessary. Resistance is the key at dealing with these savages.

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    It appears these barbaric and worthless domestic terrorist are using a fake president and Putin puppet tRump as leverage to emerge from under their rock to go on their own rampage. Yet the as.shole domestic terrorist either refuse to consider or fail to consider tRump doesn't give a rat's tail for them either who punked them all at having the idiots thinking tRump's policies would hurt others but not them. Yet once tRump got their vote, he gave these brainwashed cult followers the shaft. Dumb suckers.

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    A *state* cap and trade bill lol?

    I’d walk out on that too. Utter lunacy.
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    Oregon is one fucked up state. We looked into moving there in the early '00's. The more we looked the less desire to live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "On Friday, a spokeswoman for Senate President Peter Courtney told The Associated Press that the Oregon state police recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ore...blican-walkout

    Now could this be Trump's Second Amendment solution? Can't wait to see what happens if he loses in 2020 and preps his failure by regurgitating the "it's fixed" rhetoric again

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