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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    wow.

    this is the most absurd thing I have read today.

    I find plenty of idiots on both sides - but the idiots on the left are especially idiotic on JPP
    There are idiots on both sides, but there are also smart people on the Left. I can't think of a single Righty here that has real discussions. All they do is sperg out.

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    Here are the top 10 states that spend the most on welfare per capita, according to GoBankingRates.com.
    Massachusetts. ...
    Vermont. ...
    Minnesota. ...
    New Mexico. ...
    Delaware. Welfare spending per capita: $2,544. ...
    Maine. Welfare spending per capita: $2,530. ...
    Oregon. Welfare spending per capita: $2,520. ...
    Kentucky. Welfare spending per capita: $2,517.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    Republicans notoriously fight the effort to properly fund public schools.
    Public school funding per pupil has increased substantially over the years adjusted for inflation. The schools with the higher expenditures are often the poorest performers because they are in low-income inner cities. Certainly performance has not improved in good or poor schools as expenditures have increased.

    Students are working more, studying less, arriving at college less prepared, but grade point averages have inflated and college graduation rates are higher. That tells us something about standards.

    As far as spending, look at the various state salary data bases. The highest paid state employees are almost always coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Public school funding per pupil has increased substantially over the years adjusted for inflation. The schools with the higher expenditures are often the poorest performers because they are in low-income inner cities. Certainly performance has not improved in good or poor schools as expenditures have increased.

    Students are working more, studying less, arriving at college less prepared, but grade point averages have inflated and college graduation rates are higher. That tells us something about standards.

    As far as spending, look at the various state salary data bases. The highest paid state employees are almost always coaches.
    Definitely agree with you about the grade inflation. I think there's no question about that. My daughter is 2 so I can't speak from personal experience but talking to other parents of older kids in school I've heard them comment about the amount of homework their kids have each night and the number of hours they spend studying. Maybe that's anecdotal and not the case for all but the concern they expressed was the kids were doing less of being kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Definitely agree with you about the grade inflation. I think there's no question about that. My daughter is 2 so I can't speak from personal experience but talking to other parents of older kids in school I've heard them comment about the amount of homework their kids have each night and the number of hours they spend studying. Maybe that's anecdotal and not the case for all but the concern they expressed was the kids were doing less of being kids.
    Kids at lower grades tend to have more homework. By the time they get to high school they are required to do much less except for the honor students who are often highly motivated. The average high school kid can do little and still make B's. C's are supposedly average but a C is considered a bad grade today. If you know any typical high school students ask them how much they actually have to read to pass. I had college students tell me they had never read a book before.

    I don't think it was that different when I went to high school except for the grade inflation. Today parents or administrators will be all over the teacher who gives too many low grades. I knew professors who taught many years who told me they had never failed a student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Kids at lower grades tend to have more homework. By the time they get to high school they are required to do much less except for the honor students who are often highly motivated. The average high school kid can do little and still make B's. C's are supposedly average but a C is considered a bad grade today. If you know any typical high school students ask them how much they actually have to read to pass. I had college students tell me they had never read a book before.

    I don't think it was that different when I went to high school except for the grade inflation. Today parents or administrators will be all over the teacher who gives too many low grades. I knew professors who taught many years who told me they had never failed a student.
    Interesting. It’s definitely possible those I’m talking to are more the parents of the honor students and thus aren’t reflective of kids overall.

    I think of a school like San Diego State or Chico St that I had a few classmates go to. My classmates went with like a 2.0 GPA. I’m only partially tongue in cheek saying you could get in if you could sign your name. Today you hear kids saying you need a 3.5 to get in. That’s crazy. And that’s serious grade inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Interesting. It’s definitely possible those I’m talking to are more the parents of the honor students and thus aren’t reflective of kids overall.

    I think of a school like San Diego State or Chico St that I had a few classmates go to. My classmates went with like a 2.0 GPA. I’m only partially tongue in cheek saying you could get in if you could sign your name. Today you hear kids saying you need a 3.5 to get in. That’s crazy. And that’s serious grade inflation.
    The homework issue applies to all students, but it mostly occurs at the lower levels. Some schools today are choosing to eliminate homework. Originally it was because those with computers or internet access at home had an unfair advantage.

    "You Graduated Cum Laude? So Did Everyone Else"

    "Nearly half of students who graduated from Lehigh University, Princeton University and the University of Southern California this year did so with cum laude, magna cum laude or summa cum laude honors, or their equivalents. At Harvard and Johns Hopkins, more got the designations than didn’t."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/you-gra...lse-1530523801

    Some Ivy League schools have put limits (50%) on the number of honor graduates. Some considered putting some regulations on course grades but it would put that school's graduates at a disadvantage in getting in graduate and professional schools.

    For the private for-profit schools and community colleges a lot has to do with money. The more students they admit and retain the more state money they receive or federal loans/grants. Some of the accreditation agencies now include retention ("success") rate as part of the process. The college I retired from put in study skills classes as a way to show they are doing something to help retain students.

    Some states include retention rate as part of the funding process. The result, of course, is that teachers pass more students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    There is a clear correlation between a person’s level of education and his or her likelihood to vote for a right wing party. The lower the level of education, the more likely it is that that person votes Republican (or UKIP in Britain or for Le Pen in France or Wilders in the Netherlands etc). Put bluntly, people who aren’t very well-educated are more likely to believe in simplistic solutions, above all solutions that blame “the other” (eg immigrants or ethnic minorities).

    This is being proven out everyday with the trumpanzees
    its the result of Fox news targeting the stupid to get them to vote repuyblican

    It was a plan created by Roger Ailes and Nixon


    They found their daddy in Murdock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The homework issue applies to all students, but it mostly occurs at the lower levels. Some schools today are choosing to eliminate homework. Originally it was because those with computers or internet access at home had an unfair advantage.

    "You Graduated Cum Laude? So Did Everyone Else"

    "Nearly half of students who graduated from Lehigh University, Princeton University and the University of Southern California this year did so with cum laude, magna cum laude or summa cum laude honors, or their equivalents. At Harvard and Johns Hopkins, more got the designations than didn’t."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/you-gra...lse-1530523801

    Some Ivy League schools have put limits (50%) on the number of honor graduates. Some considered putting some regulations on course grades but it would put that school's graduates at a disadvantage in getting in graduate and professional schools.

    For the private for-profit schools and community colleges a lot has to do with money. The more students they admit and retain the more state money they receive or federal loans/grants. Some of the accreditation agencies now include retention ("success") rate as part of the process. The college I retired from put in study skills classes as a way to show they are doing something to help retain students.

    Some states include retention rate as part of the funding process. The result, of course, is that teachers pass more students.
    Thanks for the info. Interesting to see my beloved alma mater on that list for having nearly half the students graduate with honors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its the result of Fox news targeting the stupid to get them to vote repuyblican

    It was a plan created by Roger Ailes and Nixon


    They found their daddy in Murdock
    Fox didn't make people vote Republican. Republicans chose to watch Fox News. The effect of the propaganda hate networks (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) has been to reduce the number of viewers who watch news leaving only the least informed to watch those stations.

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    Hello Gonzomin,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    This board shows the difference between rightys and leftys. You get real discussion and debate from most Dems. The rightys post one-liner drive-by insults and declare themselves winners. The Republican party is the home of bigots and haters. They have a religious attachment to Trump no matter what stupid shit he does.
    I would say that is true of the far right but I regularly enjoy very spirited discussions here with those who are right of center.

    Conversely, we have some lefties here who show no respect to anyone to the right of them.

    My view is that anyone who disrespects others simply for their view is poisoning needed discussion.

    Bitter polarization is poisoning the country and falls right into Putin's plan to destabilize America.

    We each want to believe we are right, but none of us should be so sure that we are unwilling to listen to respectfully presented opposing views. Everything should always be open to discussion. Anyone who is absolutely convinced they are correct is absolutely mistaken.

    I believe what I believe until I find out I was wrong. Then I change what I believe until I learn better yet. We must always be open to constructive criticism of our views. Everyone's perspective is unique, based on the things they have seen and learned. No two individuals experience the same input of information. Together, we represent more knowledge than any of us do alone.

    Diversity makes America great.

    Diversity of views makes us better informed.

    IF we listen to what others have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    There are idiots on both sides, but there are also smart people on the Left. I can't think of a single Righty here that has real discussions. All they do is sperg out.
    hmmm,.

    you are one of the ones on the left I think of as being especially stupid.

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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    As compared with most Americans, Trump’s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000.
    It is no surprise that the rich vote for Trump as they overlook his glaringly obvious faults. It is a mistake to assume that wealth and education level are strictly synonymous.
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    Hello StoneByStone,

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    There are idiots on both sides, but there are also smart people on the Left. I can't think of a single Righty here that has real discussions. All they do is sperg out.
    I can right off the top of my head,

    Cawacko, Flash, annonymoose, gfm7175...

    I'm sure there are more I have overlooked...
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