Fifty Years Ago Today....

[ThatOwlWoman]

I've gone to Lake Tahoe basically every summer since the mid '80's. Heading up there next week for the 4th. It is a beautiful and amazing place. And yes the water is still, pardon my French, balls cold. And yes people will still fly fish in the Truckee.

I'm so envious. Do you have a cabin or camp there? Hope you enjoy your vacation in heaven!

[ThatOwlWoman]

the issues were already being fixed long before the EPA. As the article explains - the reason this fire was such a big deal is because fires were becoming rare on water - when they used to be commonplace.

One power that the EPA was given is the ability to go after polluters to recoup the cost of remediation, as well as fine them. Prior to its formation, that process was hit or miss, particularly when the problem was spread over a large area and/or cross state borders. In cases where the polluter had no assets to recoup cost of remediation, the EPA was allowed to take on the job. In Times Beach, for instance, the polluter, Russell Bliss, was a fly-by-night guy with nothing to seize. The state of Missouri could not afford the remediation costs either, although the state paid residents to relocate. Here is an interesting look at the whole Times Beach disaster:

https://www.stlmag.com/Remember-Time...0-Years-Later/

[Bill]

Yep, we can definitely see them in various places across the lake. South Shore and over by Cal Neva come to mind.

And I'm with you, i don't get all that excited by fireworks either anymore. When I was young I thought watching them on the Lake in a boat was cool but now that's just a sh*t show.

I saw a pretty good one when Santa Cruz was having their Sesquicentennial & had a nice display over the water.. We sat on the rock just on the other side of the river on Castle(sea bright) beach... Wasn't big but it was pretty over the calm water..

[Phantasmal]

I saw a pretty good one when Santa Cruz was having their Sesquicentennial & had a nice display over the water.. We sat on the rock just on the other side of the river on Castle(sea bright) beach... Wasn't big but it was pretty over the calm water..

I’ll always be a kid at heart as far as fireworks, I love them. We lived near the owner of GCI in Anchorage, and he use to have a better display than did the city of Anchorage. It must have cost him a fortune.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I’ll always be a kid at heart as far as fireworks, I love them. We lived near the owner of GCI in Anchorage, and he use to have a better display than did the city of Anchorage. It must have cost him a fortune.

I love them too!

[Bill]

I’ll always be a kid at heart as far as fireworks, I love them. We lived near the owner of GCI in Anchorage, and he use to have a better display than did the city of Anchorage. It must have cost him a fortune.

Welcome home. We have a pretty good display here but way to many ppl, it takes some ppl 2 hours to get out of the park.. I'll be home dog sitting anyway..

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

.... The Cuyahoga River caught fire. Again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vint...ore-epa-2019-6

Oh, nothing to worry about. Pollution affects the poor mostly. The rich are insulated from it in their McMansions behind gated walls. If they want clean waters to play in they just fly to wherever that can still be found.

[zymurgy]

I asked WHAT WERE THE OTHER CHOICES???? Do nothing??

things were being done

what so many on the left continually fail to realize or understand is government policy changes are a result of shifts in public sentiment on the issues of the day. That same shift would of - and was - manifesting itself in differences regardless of an EPA being formed.

[Bill]

things were being done

what so many on the left continually fail to realize or understand is government policy changes are a result of shifts in public sentiment on the issues of the day. That same shift would of - and was - manifesting itself in differences regardless of an EPA being formed.

Things, OyE fuckin VaY!!!

Not about the left or right, both parties dealt w/ the problem~that's the truth, if you wish to face it or not, I don't much care...

I was a kid, not on the left or right, but I wanted to be able to see across the street, not live in smog alerts etc etc etc.......

[zymurgy]

Things, OyE fuckin VaY!!!

Not about the left or right, both parties dealt w/ the problem~that's the truth, if you wish to face it or not, I don't much care...

I was a kid, not on the left or right, but I wanted to be able to see across the street, not live in smog alerts etc etc etc.......

a government is nothing but an extension of the people it serves.

public sentiment needed changed. When people cared about conservation - things started improving. This was happening long, long before the EPA was formed - which only could happen because public sentiment was being reshaped.

[Phantasmal]

Welcome home. We have a pretty good display here but way to many ppl, it takes some ppl 2 hours to get out of the park.. I'll be home dog sitting anyway..

We are traveling, it’s why I’ll be here to entertain most of the day! Im looking for peaches on the way! It’s peach season here and I love fresh peaches that you bite into
and juice runs down your face! Yum!

You’re the best, thank goodness for good dog sitters! We left ours with a friend.

[Phantasmal]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Oh, nothing to worry about. Pollution affects the poor mostly. The rich are insulated from it in their McMansions behind gated walls. If they want clean waters to play in they just fly to wherever that can still be found.

NIMBY is the policy of the rich.

[Bill]

a government is nothing but an extension of the people it serves.

public sentiment needed changed. When people cared about conservation - things started improving. This was happening long, long before the EPA was formed - which only could happen because public sentiment was being reshaped.

Blah blah blah, get back to the river on fire.......... & if you find those choices pls post UM, thnx....

[zymurgy]

Blah blah blah, get back to the river on fire.......... & if you find those choices pls post UM, thnx....

blabla is right

wow - you offer nothing of substance

[Bill]

blabla is right

wow - you offer nothing of substance

You made a post, I asked what the alternatives where to taking the actions taken~you have not replied to that..

If & when you do, let me know, I am not wasting any more time w/ you & have a nice day.