is germany a succesfull socialist economic model ?

[StoneByStone]

just in general, your beliefs about nationalism seem to reflect a globalist caricature of nationalism, like, it must be racist, for instance.

this is the propagandists' technique called "poisoning the well".

That's because (((Globalists))) have conditioned everyone to think that white people being Nationalist is just the most evil thing ever.
My beliefs about Nationalism were the norm before our media and academia were infiltrated by a certain Semitic tribe.

[Darth Omar]

Not always. Healthier food is usually more expensive than fast food, so if you have an economy that leaves you with more spending money, it's easier for you to make the healthy choices. And, of course, there is affordable health care. Germany has way more affordable health care because of government policy.



Germany and other European countries also have affordable college and, because the government spends less money on war and subsidies for the rich, they're able to spend more on elementary and high schools.

And really, the whole "indoctrination" thing is such a bad argument. If you think homosexuality is a choice, but the science says it's not, then it's not "indoctrination" if a biology professor says homosexuality is natural.



The taxes are higher for the rich, which is what most Americans want too.

From that I’ll surmise taxes are pretty high in Germany lol.

They’d have to be in order to pay for the ‘free’ healthcare. I’ll grant that our healthcare system suffers from a series of government attempts to ‘fix it’.

Germany has more money for college because we subsidize their defense via NATO—a from of international socialism that gives the globalist elites warm fuzzies. A big part of our problem with the *absurd cost* of college tuition is that students are subsidizing faculty pensions. Not sure what the government solution is but these poor kids come out of college nearly six figures in debt.

I’m still not sure I’d want to live there. What’s their tax rate again?

[Sailor]

From that I’ll surmise taxes are pretty high in Germany lol.

They’d have to be in order to pay for the ‘free’ healthcare. I’ll grant that our healthcare system suffers from a series of government attempts to ‘fix it’.

Germany has more money for college because we subsidize their defense via NATO—a from of international socialism that gives the globalist elites warm fuzzies. A big part of our problem with the *absurd cost* of college tuition is that students are subsidizing faculty pensions. Not sure what the government solution is but these poor kids come out of college nearly six figures in debt.

I’m still not sure I’d want to live there. What’s their tax rate again?

The truth generally confuses people. Nice job.!

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

That's because (((Globalists))) have conditioned everyone to think that white people being Nationalist is just the most evil thing ever.
My beliefs about Nationalism were the norm before our media and academia were infiltrated by a ertain Semitic tribe.

you're still doing it

[StoneByStone]

From that I’ll surmise taxes are pretty high in Germany lol.

For the rich, sure. As it should be.

Germany has more money for college because we subsidize their defense via NATO—a from of international socialism that gives the globalist elites warm fuzzies. A big part of our problem with the *absurd cost* of college tuition is that students are subsidizing faculty pensions. Not sure what the government solution is but these poor kids come out of college nearly six figures in debt.

Germany and most of the other European countries that have Fox News Socialism actually had these programs before NATO. I'll agree that America putting in more for NATO than these other countries is bad for us, good for Europe. But there's no reason to suggest that Europe couldn't have continued with their welfare states if NATO was never created.

I’m still not sure I’d want to live there. What’s their tax rate again?

Depends on the class. Like I said, the rich pay higher taxes. The working-class pays a bit higher than we do, but they also save a lot more due to the social programs.
I think one of the reasons Fox News Socialism turns people off in America is because people are very short-sighted. If you say "this program requires more taxes, but you'll save more money in the long run," then all they hear is "more taxes."

[StoneByStone]

you're still doing it

Well, if we want to normalize Nationalism, we have to start openly encouraging it again.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Well, if we want to normalize Nationalism, we have to start openly encouraging it again.

it doesn't have to be race based. you're just wrong.

[StoneByStone]

it doesn't have to be race based. you're just wrong.

If it's not race-based, then it's not Nationalism. "Civil Nationalism" is a joke. It's Globalism for Cuckservatives.

[Darth Omar]

If it's not race-based, then it's not Nationalism. "Civil Nationalism" is a joke. It's Globalism for Cuckservatives.

You have to conflate ‘race’ with ‘nationalism’ to make ethnic nationalism.

Any American can be a Trumpist nationalist, regardless of race. No doubt, some number of Hispanic Americans wish congress would get off their asses and do something about the border for purely *nationalist* reasons. A nation is a people who live within a shared border and have common concerns.

That form of nationalism has nothing to do with race. Not only is it benign—it’s a healthy outlook and should be encouraged.

Instead, it’s maligned.

[StoneByStone]

You have to conflate ‘race’ with ‘nationalism’ to make ethnic nationalism.

Ethnic Nationalism is real Nationalism. Nationalism based on things like citizenship or religion never works, it's just a roadblock that's passed on the way to Globalism. This is why all of the Western countries are losing their National character and becoming more Globalist.

Trump can lie about being a Nationalist all he wants to suck up to the Alt-Right, but the truth is that outsourcing has increased under Trump. And that's because we're still becoming more and more multiracial.

[Wilhelm Zenz]

google codetermination thats p;retty collectve

[tsuke]

So I think we have to begin with the most obvious question. Can any country in the world be said to have a succesfull economic model when they have pretty much outsourced their defense and military to the US?

[Walt]

It is strange to call Germans extremely pragmatic, but other than the times they were extremely unpragmatic (WWI, the Nazis, East Germany), they were actually extremely pragmatic. Bismarck was extremely pragmatic, and willing to use Social Democratic policies before almost anyone else. Bismarck actually knew Lassalle, the founder of the German Social Democrats better than almost all the German Social Democrats. Lassalle died unusually young.

German leaders until today have usually been more interested in what works over political dogma. That sometimes means capitalism, but also sometimes means limited socialism.

[Walt]

Can any country in the world be said to have a succesfull economic model when they have pretty much outsourced their defense and military to the US?

Germany continued to have conscription until 2011. They have a major military. The M1 Abrams was jointly designed by the USA and Germany.

The US has a lot of soldiers stationed in Germany, and Germany pays for all the land they use. That is not counted as defense spending. If it were, the Germans would spend roughly the same amount of GDP as the USA.

[Minister of Truth]

Germany isn't a successful anything, unless you count its football clubs.