cancel2 2022 (06-23-2019), Granule (06-27-2019), Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
Since the kiddies have decided to start another thread in the kiddie pool, I am opening one here open for anyone to comment on.
Choice posts are reproduced here for further open discussion.
cancel2 2022 (06-23-2019), Granule (06-27-2019), Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
This kind of psychoquackery is common coming from the Church of Global Warming. They accuse, they project their own problems on others, and they deny both science and math. They use the 'for the children' argument as an emotional argument. To them, these 'children' are nothing more than pawns to be used to further their religion.
The Church of global warming preaches doom and gloom to come, like many religions. Their solution, however, is to impose their religion upon others by force of law and threats.
These idiots claim 'tolerance'. Yet they build threads to censure dissenting opinions. They talk of 'freedom of speech', but try to lock out anyone that disagrees with them on any point. They are hypocrites.
Last edited by Into the Night; 06-22-2019 at 12:49 PM.
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
There is no 'denial industry'. This is just sour grapes because Exxon/Mobile are simply trying to protect their interests. Did you know they are required to by law?
The 'greenhouse gas' model is simply not possible. It violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmannn law.
* You can't create energy out of nothing.
* You can't make heat flow from cold to hot. You can't heat the warmer surface of Earth using a colder gas.
* You can't reduce the radiance from Earth and increase it's temperature at the same time.
Last edited by Into the Night; 06-22-2019 at 12:43 PM.
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
oh, but having to rebuild every building to make it "green" isnt a money grab.
morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
Trump Wins,
by definition https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump
No. Censuring is an indication of hatred. I invite open discussion of issues. You can't handle it because of your hatred.
This is you again. You have identified the 'group' that you hate. You have built a list of them that you use to try to censure.
You again.
A useless redirection. We are fighting idiots like you.
You again. It is YOU that wants to remake America YOUR way, through imposing your religion upon others by force.
You again. You believe you can make conservatives go away by censuring them.
Something you finally got right.
Here again you deny your own argument. It is YOU that trying to censure dissenting views!
You again. It is YOU that doesn't want tolerate opposing views.
You again. You have denied science, specifically the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. You have denied mathematics, specifically statistical mathematics and probability mathematics. Yet you press on with your religion.
You again.
Good question. Why can't you do that?
It's one thing to allow freedom of religion. It's quite another to impose it upon other by force and threats.
It is YOU that cannot accept reality. You don't even know what 'reality' itself means. It is YOU that is censuring.
It is YOU that does not show respect.
You again. You, along with the rest of the Church of Global Warming. is all about whataboutism in their dire predictions, their denial of theories of science and in their inability to even define what 'climate change' or 'global warming' even means, deflect into accusations, insults, lies, and censorship, and attack any dissenting opinion with the same.
You again. It is YOU that cannot handle an argument on the basis of merit. The theories of science which you deny have not changed. They have merit. YOU ignore them.
No, you don't.
This is called the argument of the Stone fallacy. It is YOU that can't stand any dissenting opinions. It is YOU that simply discards these theories of science. It is YOU that simply discards these branches of mathematics. It is YOU that turns to censorship while talking of 'freedom of opinion and speech'. You're a hypocrite of the worst sort.
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
Trump Wins,
by definition https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump
They have no answer for this, other than synfuels or biofuels.
They hate oil and oil products, plain and simple.
Making synthetic fuel is their denial of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. They deny the energy required to make such materials, and that energy has to come from somewhere.
Biofuels is their version of using solar power to make oil products. It's 'green' because it's closer to the Solar Power Nirvana they seek.
But it won't work. It requires tremendous amounts of farmland to be diverted from producing food to producing fuel to be burned. The starvation this would cause is forgotten.
Fortunately, oil is a renewable resource, and it's simply easier to drill for it. Oil is constantly forming underground. The conditions for the formation of oil from hydrogen and carbon naturally exist there.
Enjoy your Formula One racing!
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
A classic example of the type of Doom and Gloom predicted by the Church of Global Warming.
There is no mass extinctions occurring. The elephants and the bees are obviously still here and doing just fine.
Arguing that a mass extinction event is going to take place due to global warming is again ignoring several important things:
* It's not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
* No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
* The Sun's output hasn't change significantly. The distance from the Earth to the Sun hasn't change significantly.
Again, the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann laws are simply discarded to preach the Doom and Gloom.
Truth Detector (06-27-2019)
these climate people want petroleum off limits now that the u.s. is energy independent. this is an extension of america hate on a lattice of lies.
morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
Trump Wins,
by definition https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump
This is quite probably YOUR problem. It is YOU that worries so much about the coming impending 'doom'.
The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and the rules of statistical and probability mathematics allows me to comfortably sleep at night. I don't worry the world is going to burn up in some kind of catastrophic 'global warming', 'climate change', or 'mass extinction'. You do. You are probably describing yourself and your own insomnia problems.
This tired old argument, using children and grandchildren as pawns? Really? You don't give a damn about either.
You don't give a damn about humanity either, unless they are part of your religion.
No wisdom here! Just hatred. Hatred and fear is not wisdom.
This is known as Pascal's Wager fallacy. Pascal once used it to try to justify Christianity. The only difference here is the religion being justified.
It can't. The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law show why.
This is not wisdom. It is fear. It is fear based on a denial of science.
That it is. It is YOU that is denying science and mathematics.
Partly to stop little tinpots like you from becoming dictators. YOU want to impose fascism by oligarchy. YOU think you are one of the 'elite'. How wrong you are.
A very real possibility.
I use my guns regularly. I target practice, I remove pests with them, I hunt with them, I defend my property, myself, and my loved ones with them, and I have no problem defending the Constitution with them...the same Constitution YOU want to destroy.
I have already used my guns to defend myself. I also use them to defend the property of others. Part of that use is to protect the airport my aircraft is based at.
No one like to shoot another human being, even a dictator like you want to be. I will not allow this nation to fall into fascism by oligarchy if I can help it.
Science has no proofs. It's an open functional system. It does, however, have theories. These theories must be falsifiable.
It is not possible for any two theories of science to conflict with each other. One or both of them must be falsified.
The theories in question concerning CO2 are quite simple. They are:
* The 1st law of thermodynamics. It is not possible to create energy out of nothing. Increased temperature is increased thermal energy. CO2 has no capability to violate this law.
* The 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is not possible to heat a warmer surface using a colder gas, such as CO2. Heat only flows from hot to cold, never reverse.
* The Stefan-Boltzmann law. It is not possible to have something like CO2 trap or slow heat. Such an action would necessarily reduce the radiance of Earth while the temperature is increasing. According to this law: radiance = Boltzmann's constant * emissivity * temperature ^ 4. Both Boltamann's constant and emissivity are constants. Radiance is proportional to temperature, never the reverse.
That said, CO2 does absorb certain frequencies of infrared light emitted by the surface (according to the same S-B law I just mentioned). Air is also in contact with the surface. It is heated by the surface. Absorption of surface emitted infrared light is just another way for the surface to cool itself by heating the air.
Both the surface and the air itself is mass. All mass radiates according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. The heated air radiates just as the surface does. ALL of it radiates into space. CO2 cannot in turn heat the surface that heated the CO2. The CO2 is still colder than the surface, and heat does NOT flow 'uphill', not even by radiance.
No molecule or atom will accept a photon that has less energy than the molecule or atom already has. To that photon, it is transparent or reflective. The photon is NOT absorbed. If a photon IS absorbed, it is utterly destroyed. ALL of it's energy is converted into another form. For infrared light, that other form is typically thermal energy. Thermal energy also converts to light (electromagnetic energy). This is known as 'blackbody' radiance and follows the Stefan-Boltzmann law equation.
Existing theories of science say that CO2 has absolutely NO capability to warming anything, including the Earth. No gas or vapor has this capability.
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