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    Default $1B Climate Change Denial Industry: Getting Rich Telling Lies, Destroying Humanity...

    "The overwhelming majority of climate scientists, international governmental bodies, relevant research institutes and scientific societies are in unison in saying that climate change is real, that it’s a problem, and that we should probably do something about it now, not later. And yet, for some reason, the idea persists in some peoples’ minds that climate change is up for debate, or that climate change is no big deal.

    Actually, it’s not “for some reason” that people are confused. There’s a very obvious reason. There is a very well-funded, well-orchestrated climate change-denial movement, one funded by powerful people with very deep pockets. In a new and incredibly thorough study, Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle took a deep dive into the financial structure of the climate deniers, to see who is holding the purse strings.

    According to Brulle’s research, the 91 think tanks and advocacy organizations and trade associations that make up the American climate denial industry pull down just shy of a billion dollars each year, money used to lobby or sway public opinion on climate change and other issues."

    The Billion Dollar Climate Change Denial Industry

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    $100 BILLION+ AGW CLIMATE LIES INDUSTRY.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Hello Grokmaster,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    $100 BILLION+ AGW CLIMATE LIES INDUSTRY.
    Climate Change is real.

    It is human caused.

    We have to change our ways.

    Give it up already.

    For the sake of our children and grandchildren...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Grokmaster,



    Climate Change is real.

    It is human caused.

    We have to change our ways.

    Give it up already.

    For the sake of our children and grandchildren...
    For our own sake too. We only have until 2031. 12 yrs.

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    Hello anonymoose,

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    For our own sake too. We only have until 2031. 12 yrs.
    There is no deadline.

    The sooner the better, the longer we wait the more extreme the devastation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello anonymoose,



    There is no deadline.
    That's a relief. Can you tell your friends on the left to stop brainwashing kids into believing the End of Times comes in 12 yrs.? That's child abuse and I plan on reporting them to social services.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post

    The sooner the better, the longer we wait the more extreme the devastation.
    I know. Wait long enough and the sun enters the red giant phase. We need to take action now before it's too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    For our own sake too. We only have until 2031. 12 yrs.
    IF that long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Grokmaster,



    Climate Change is real.

    It is human caused.

    We have to change our ways.

    Give it up already.

    For the sake of our children and grandchildren...
    Hoax
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Hello Stretch,

    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Hoax
    Cling to that.

    Milk it for all it's worth.

    The Climate Denial Industry sure does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Climate Change is real.
    First off, you need to define the term in a non-circular way. Circular definitions [ie, climate change is a change in climate] are meaningless and will yield void arguments.

    Secondly, how have you determined that this circularly defined buzzword is really happening? If you believe that the Earth is warming, how have you determined that it is indeed warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    It is human caused.
    Is that so?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We have to change our ways.
    No, we don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Give it up already.
    Give WHAT up?

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    For the sake of our children and grandchildren...
    Pascal's Wager Fallacy.

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    Hello and happy first day of summer gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    First off, you need to define the term in a non-circular way. Circular definitions [ie, climate change is a change in climate] are meaningless and will yield void arguments.

    Secondly, how have you determined that this circularly defined buzzword is really happening? If you believe that the Earth is warming, how have you determined that it is indeed warming?


    Is that so?


    No, we don't.


    Give WHAT up?


    Pascal's Wager Fallacy.
    Nice wall you've built.

    -to protect you from the truth, from wisdom.

    Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    $100 BILLION+ AGW CLIMATE LIES INDUSTRY.
    It is you and others like you who are the weakest links of humanity. Whether or not you say this crap out of sheer stupidly or your somehow being compensated for it makes no difference as either case is equally disgusting and despicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    It is you and others like you who are the weakest links of humanity. Whether or not you say this crap out of sheer stupidly or your somehow being compensated for it makes no difference as either case is equally disgusting and despicable.
    Yeah..sure we are.

    Hilarious coming from a DUPE of data-altering, , outright LYING, wrong about EVERYTHING, UN CO2 Income Redistribution Scam.












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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "The overwhelming majority of climate scientists, international governmental bodies, relevant research institutes and scientific societies are in unison in saying that climate change is real, that it’s a problem, and that we should probably do something about it now, not later. And yet, for some reason, the idea persists in some peoples’ minds that climate change is up for debate, or that climate change is no big deal.

    Actually, it’s not “for some reason” that people are confused. There’s a very obvious reason. There is a very well-funded, well-orchestrated climate change-denial movement, one funded by powerful people with very deep pockets. In a new and incredibly thorough study, Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle took a deep dive into the financial structure of the climate deniers, to see who is holding the purse strings.

    According to Brulle’s research, the 91 think tanks and advocacy organizations and trade associations that make up the American climate denial industry pull down just shy of a billion dollars each year, money used to lobby or sway public opinion on climate change and other issues."

    The Billion Dollar Climate Change Denial Industry

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    Even Trump's own EPA administrator - aka, the guy that Trump thought was the best in the nation to manage our environmental problems - testified to congress that human-induced climate change is a real problem that needs to be addressed in the long term, although he did not think it was one of our most pressing and top priorities right now.

    That is pretty much a stunning admission that decades of global warming denial was a complete hoax.

    I think your post in insightful, because I have never thought climate denial really had anything to do with science or with sound environmental management.

    For one thing, a lot of people have become famous or rich from the Climate Change Denial Industry. People who otherwise do not have the talent or wherewithal to become rich and famous.

    Secondly, there are trillions of barrels of untapped oil still in the ground which has not yet been burned. The oligarchy is not going to walk away from that kind of money without a fight to the death.

    Lastly, there is some element of emotional investment in climate denial. Teabaggers have been pre-conditioned emotionally to reject everything that is perceived to be liberal. One single example - Trump violating, and pulling of of the Iran nuclear agreement, an international agreement that was actually working, but Trump wanted out of it simply because Obama negotiated it.

    There are Climate Deniers who have emotionally invested themselves in denial for decades. And I put the probability at exactly zero percent that, at this point, they are every going to confess that they were wrong. I believe some of them would rather see harm come to their children and grandchildren than admit they were wrong to anonymous liberals they will never meet on an obscure message board.

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    Hello Cypress,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Even Trump's own EPA administrator - aka, the guy that Trump thought was the best in the nation to manage our environmental problems - testified to congress that human-induced climate change is a real problem that needs to be addressed in the long term, although he did not think it was one of our most pressing and top priorities right now.

    That is pretty much a stunning admission that decades of global warming denial was a complete hoax.

    I think your post in insightful, because I have never thought climate denial really had anything to do with science or with sound environmental management.

    For one thing, a lot of people have become famous or rich from the Climate Change Denial Industry. People who otherwise do not have the talent or wherewithal to become rich and famous.

    Secondly, there are trillions of barrels of untapped oil still in the ground which has not yet been burned. The oligarchy is not going to walk away from that kind of money without a fight to the death.

    Lastly, there is some element of emotional investment in climate denial. Teabaggers have been pre-conditioned emotionally to reject everything that is perceived to be liberal. One single example - Trump violating, and pulling of of the Iran nuclear agreement, an international agreement that was actually working, but Trump wanted out of it simply because Obama negotiated it.

    There are Climate Deniers who have emotionally invested themselves in denial for decades. And I put the probability at exactly zero percent that, at this point, they are every going to confess that they were wrong. I believe some of them would rather see harm come to their children and grandchildren than admit they were wrong to anonymous liberals they will never meet on an obscure message board.
    I think you are totally correct on all counts.

    Seething hatred as a way of life.

    They give one another a group to identify with.

    The old we/they theory.

    We're not fighting the Germans, the Japanese, or the Rooskies anymore.

    Now they absurdly believe they can remake America in their own vision.

    Somehow, they believe they can either a) change the minds of all the liberals, or b) drive them away?

    Neither is possible.

    So they are stuck in a country with diversity of views.

    But they don't want to admit it.

    So, against all hope, they press on.

    Talk about mixed up!

    Why can't people just accept that we Americans are free to believe as we wish?

    Why can't they accept reality?

    Why can't they have some respect for Americans just doing the American thing and standing up for what they believe in?

    Why do they have to be so obtuse, always resorting to whataboutism, deny, deflect, attack?

    Why can't they argue their positions on the basis of merit?

    Well, we know the answer to that one.

    They would lose the argument!
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