U.S. says mines used in tanker attacks bear "striking resemblance" to Iran's

**domer76** · 06-19-2019, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

faker

Fake source, fake videos, fake news.

Sucker.

**domer76** · 06-19-2019, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

I have to admit I'm far from an expert on mine laying.
But your post got me to do some research ( you should try this sometime) and the very first sentence of the OP
says these were limpet mines
Limpet mines are apparently not laid out, but are manually attached .

Given this it means it would take a small craft ( like an Iranian patrol boat) to do it manually.
We know it can't be a regular ship -since these are limpet mines.

So what do you deduce?
Logic dictates these were attached by small craft, and only Iran would run small craft in their territorial waters.
Further we have video of them removing a limpet mine.
Further we now have physical evidence these were Iranian mines

in your own weird way you got me thinking, and it reinforces US Navy claims.

Too bad you simply never think for yourself, but there it is

Fake source. Fake videos. Fake news.

**domer76** · 06-19-2019, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

occums razor says these are Iranian mines.
Further ( as I just posted) the logistics involved most assuredly point to Iranian patrol craft attaching the mines.

This isn't chasing phantom WMDS in the Syria desert -it's a straight forward operation.

who else but Iran would operate small craft in Iranian waters?

Fake sources. Fake videos. Fake news.

**Cypress** · 06-19-2019, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

I have to admit I'm far from an expert on mine laying.
But your post got me to do some research ( you should try this sometime) and the very first sentence of the OP
says these were limpet mines
Limpet mines are apparently not laid out, but are manually attached .

Given this it means it would take a small craft ( like an Iranian patrol boat) to do it manually.
We know it can't be a regular ship -since these are limpet mines.

So what do you deduce?
Logic dictates these were attached by small craft, and only Iran would run small craft in their territorial waters.
Further we have video of them removing a limpet mine.
Further we now have physical evidence these were Iranian mines

in your own weird way you got me thinking, and it reinforces US Navy claims.

Too bad you simply never think for yourself, but there it is

What I deduce is that nothing Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, or their lackeys in the Pentagon can be trusted.

I don't believe a word any of them say.

If this is so bloody important to you, then there needs to be an independent investigation that does not involve the US Government in any way. The US Government, especially under Republican presidents have proven they cannot be trusted with respect to the Middle East, the Persian Gulf, or any claims made about nations therein.

**dukkha** · 06-19-2019, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cypress

What I deduce is that nothing Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, or their lackeys in the Pentagon can be trusted.

I don't believe a word any of them say.

If this is so bloody important to you, then there needs to be an independent investigation that does not involve the US Government in any way. The US Government, especially under Republican presidents have proven they cannot be trusted with respect to the Middle East, the Persian Gulf, or any claims made about nations therein.

considering Libya the Dems aren't all that great either

But I doubt there is an "investigation" this is a pretty tight set of facts and logistic that lead to what is
obviously Iran at work.

The real question is what do we do about it without getting into a war.
The only thing I can see is more "maximum pressure"...but with all that armature there..it's dicey.

On the other hand Iran cannot be allowed to harass and scuttle free shipping.

The UN would be helpful here,
but since we have 100% alienated Russia no way will they allow anything without their veto

**Rune** · 06-19-2019, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

I have to admit I'm far from an expert on mine laying.
But your post got me to do some research ( you should try this sometime) and the very first sentence of the OP
says these were limpet mines
Limpet mines are apparently not laid out, but are manually attached .

Given this it means it would take a small craft ( like an Iranian patrol boat) to do it manually.
We know it can't be a regular ship -since these are limpet mines.

So what do you deduce?
Logic dictates these were attached by small craft, and only Iran would run small craft in their territorial waters.
Further we have video of them removing a limpet mine.
Further we now have physical evidence these were Iranian mines

in your own weird way you got me thinking, and it reinforces US Navy claims.

Too bad you simply never think for yourself, but there it is

Umm, NO YOU BLATENT RETARD.
Manually attached mines are set by divers, not by boats, since the mine relies upon water pressure it enhance its destructive force. Above the waterline a hole in a ship is no where near the problem that a hole below the waterline creates.

Further, you do not have evidence of them removing anything, since a standing room only boat would never be sent by a competent military to remove an explosive.

Third, there is no physical evidence, just neo-con shill's opinions.
The officer in question is not the US Navy as you are repeatedly claiming.

Finally, you punkass shitstain gullible tool; when I complained about Trump hiring Bolton, you said, and I quote "When he (Bolton) tries to start a war, get back to me."
Consider yourself gotten back to, you stupid fucktard.

If ever there was a false flag operation, this is it, and it stinks of Mosad, not Iran.

**Rune** · 06-19-2019, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Yurt

Drunktard drunk posting again...

Tell us how I am wrong, in your own words, yurt.

**Rune** · 06-20-2019, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by dukkha

considering Libya the Dems aren't all that great either

But I doubt there is an "investigation" this is a pretty tight set of facts and logistic that lead to what is
obviously Iran at work.

The real question is what do we do about it without getting into a war.
The only thing I can see is more "maximum pressure"...but with all that armature there..it's dicey.

On the other hand Iran cannot be allowed to harass and scuttle free shipping.

The UN would be helpful here,
but since we have 100% alienated Russia no way will they allow anything without their veto

It's a march to war you retard, and as usual you are the lead drum beater.
How can you be so oblivious, so deathly stupid?
Kushner is the new Cheney you stupid fuck.

**Jack** · 06-20-2019, 12:03 AM

I wonder where Anatta stands on this issue?

**anatta** · 06-20-2019, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rune

Umm, NO YOU BLATENT RETARD.
Manually attached mines are set by divers, not by boats, since the mine relies upon water pressure it enhance its destructive force. Above the waterline a hole in a ship is no where near the problem that a hole below the waterline creates.

Further, you do not have evidence of them removing anything, since a standing room only boat would never be sent by a competent military to remove an explosive.

Third, there is no physical evidence, just neo-con shill's opinions.
The officer in question is not the US Navy as you are repeatedly claiming.

Finally, you punkass shitstain gullible tool; when I complained about Trump hiring Bolton, you said, and I quote "When he (Bolton) tries to start a war, get back to me."
Consider yourself gotten back to, you stupid fucktard.

If ever there was a false flag operation, this is it, and it stinks of Mosad, not Iran.

OK I'll buy that -like I said you seem to know more then I do about the mines - however a mine placed above the waterline will still disable a ship if not sink it right away.
So attachment above the waterline would still be an effective ploy for Iran.
and we did just see the Iranians detach above the waterline.

These wild claims of Israelis or KSA are 100% unsubstantiated . They are fantasies based on some odd idea that Iran isn't threatening international shipping when Iran has a history of doing so.

If Israel or KSA got caught it would be a devastating setback to those countries legitimacy.
It would haunt them for years
( just like 'Putin collusion' getting caught would devastate Russian reputation - why "collusion" was always stupid)

If we wanted a war with Iran there are all kinds of opportunities in Syria or Iraq we could gin up.
So the logistics and the geopolitics still overwhelmingly point to Iran
~~

Bolton isn't going to drive Trump to war - Trump isn't Obama listening to Hillary pleading for regime change in Libya

**Jack** · 06-20-2019, 12:08 AM

That was fast.

**anatta** · 06-20-2019, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Rune

It's a march to war you retard, and as usual you are the lead drum beater.
How can you be so oblivious, so deathly stupid?
Kushner is the new Cheney you stupid fuck.

yada yada.
Be happy you composed a decent post for once - and no I am NOT ADVOCATING WAR WITH IRAN.

Bolton can chomp all he wants to . if you had been listening to Trump on this he has never threatened war.
In fact when ever it comes up he says no war.

TDS clouds your mind -raging hate leads to delusional thoughts

**Rune** · 06-20-2019, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by anatta

OK I'll buy that -like I said you seem to know more then I do about the mines - however a mine placed above the waterline will still disable a ship if not sink it right away.
So attachment above the waterline would still be an effective ploy for Iran.
and we did just see the Iranians detach above the waterline.

These wild claims of Israelis or KSA are 100% unsubstantiated . They are fantasies based on some odd idea that Iran isn't threatening international shipping when Iran has a history of doing so.

If Israel or KSA got caught it would be a devastating setback to those countries legitimacy.
It would haunt them for years
( just like 'Putin collusion' getting caught would devastate Russian reputation - why "collusion" was always stupid)

If we wanted a war with Iran there are all kinds of opportunities in Syria or Iraq we could gin up.
So the logistics and the geopolitics still overwhelmingly point to Iran
~~

Bolton isn't going to drive Trump to war - Trump isn't Obama listening to Hillary pleading for regime change in Libya

No, it will not disable a ship.
As I already explained a mine above the waterline would make a very small hole compared to underwater.

Slow down, stop rushing to conclusions.

**Rune** · 06-20-2019, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by anatta

yada yada.
Be happy you composed a decent post for once - and no I am NOT ADVOCATING WAR WITH IRAN.

Bolton can chomp all he wants to . if you had been listening to Trump on this he has never threatened war.
In fact when ever it comes up he says no war.

TDS clouds your mind -raging hate leads to delusional thoughts

Trump's lies cloud your mind, fool.

**Jack** · 06-20-2019, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by anatta

yada yada.
Be happy you composed a decent post for once - and no I am NOT ADVOCATING WAR WITH IRAN.

Bolton can chomp all he wants to . if you had been listening to Trump on this he has never threatened war.
In fact when ever it comes up he says no war.

TDS clouds your mind -raging hate leads to delusional thoughts

1. Trump is the guy that pulled out of the Nuke Deal with Iran, NOT Iran.
2. Trump is the guy that has put an economic stranglehold around Iran by embargoing Iran's oil from world markets.

It looks to most people that Trump wants to start a War with Iran.