Earl (06-18-2019)
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Trump's own words:
"I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected"
Mother Jones Caught the REVEALING Tweet Before It Was Deleted
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"The nearly two-year investigation, led by special counsel Robert Mueller, concluded that Russian interference took place through two channels. The first was a social media campaign designed to favor Trump and to disparage rival candidate Hillary Clinton, and more broadly to sow discord among American voters, and the second involved "computer-intrusion operations," including hacking, against members of the Clinton campaign."
CNET
The Mueller Report also says that Russia hacked American election computers in order to alter the results in Trump's favor. Much of the redacted material indicates that investigations into this are ongoing. It is still unknown whether these hacking attempts were successful or not.
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Earl (06-18-2019)
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Rightys are claiming that Russias spending 1,3 million a month and setting up military hacking operations to help Trump accomplished nothing. That is a ridiculous premise. Rusia also sent emails and Facebook messages directly aimed at Americans that were targeted by Manifort who provided polling data to them. They helped finance rallies and even organized some of them. They paid people to make signage.
The Russians did this to sow discord in America. They did it in European countries too. They are trying to sow discord in democracies. Russia was acting in their own benefit and according to their own plans. Trump was just a person who fit into Russia aims perfectly. He was splitting America up with hate and fear. ., Trump wanted to destroy our relationships with allies. Russia could not have found a better candidate In 2016 Russia won the election. They may do it in 2020 too.
Earl (07-06-2019)
LV426 (06-18-2019)
Hello Gonzomin,
It is also widely known that Putin had it in for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She called him to the mat on several issues, and made him out the public fool, something he never could forgive. Putin was determined to see Hillary lose. Having Trump as her opponent created a win/win for Putin if he could get Trump elected.
Putin operates a highly corrupt empire which exploits the poor, and claims it is not possible to provide more opportunity for them. If other nations show that it indeed IS, this make Putin look bad. It is in his favor to undermine every other successful nation where the people are doing better than in Russia.
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Earl (07-06-2019)
Trump is such a liar he can't even keep his lies straight.
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Earl (07-06-2019)
President Jimmy Carter said Trump is an illegitimate president, that he was elected with the help of Russia.
Jimmy Carter calls Trump an "illegitimate president" due to Russian interference
He is right.
That's what the Mueller Report SAYS.
And American intelligence says the SAME THING.
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Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Earl (07-06-2019)
Hello Stretch,
I'm looking forward to it.
"Mueller, who remained intensely quiet throughout his two-year investigation despite constant attacks from Trump, detailed an elaborate plot by Russia to interfere in the election in his exhaustive report."
'No collusion?'
"Still, the facts as laid out in the report paint a damning picture of Trump’s efforts to gain control of and apparently thwart the special counsel’s investigation, as well as his associates’ willingness to engage with Russia-connected figures during the campaign.
House Democrats are certain to shine a spotlight on the more unsavory details of the report in the public hearing with the special counsel. The Judiciary and Intelligence panels have already held a handful of hearings on the investigation with expert witnesses; however, the appearances have received little airtime compared to other high-profile congressional hearings."
Mueller to testify publicly on July 17
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Trump will have trouble relating to someone like Mueller. Mueller is uncomfortable in public and wants his work to speak for itself. Trump repeatedly lied about his report and directed Barr to concoct a smokescreen to diffuse what his report said, That prompted Mueller to make a short press conference saying what it showed. He was clearly uncomfortable but simply said Russia helped Trump in many ways. He also said if he had concluded that Trump was not guilty of anything, he would have said so.
It was a very close election and Russia spent 1.3 million a month of a military hacking and an emaill, twitter operation to help Trump. It is absurd to think all that interference for Trump did not work. Trump is Putin's president and for Putin, it is paying off.
Trump speaking is not the Mueller report.
The report says attempts were made but were unsuccessful.
The impact of socual media is dubious at best.
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.
Earl (07-06-2019)
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.
Hello Celticguy,
Collusion is one thing.
Getting unsolicited help is another.
Russia helped Trump get elected.
Trump tried to quash the investigation.
Trump dictated talking points to his supporters, who have repeated them word for word, without verifying the veracity for themselves.
Blind loyalty is what tyrants demand.
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Earl (07-06-2019)
PoliTalker (07-06-2019)
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.
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