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Thread: Why Do Conservatives Hate Immigrants So Much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    White Trash is what Conservatives have become,from Trump on down.
    Compositional Error with people as the class and skin color as the trait... Racism. I am not interested in your racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    Your President is a criminal!
    What crime(s) has he committed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Compositional Error with people as the class and skin color as the trait... Racism. I am not interested in your racism.
    Who the fuck are you?
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    What crime(s) has he committed?
    I think you mean convicted of!
    He committed Rape,Treason,Tax Evasion,thief,etc,etc
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    I think you mean convicted of!
    He committed Rape,Treason,Tax Evasion,thief,etc,etc
    Great... Link me to the court proceedings regarding those charges where he has indeed been found guilty...

    Oh, that's right... You can't, since you're making stuff up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Great... Link me to the court proceedings regarding those charges where he has indeed been found guilty...

    Oh, that's right... You can't, since you're making stuff up...
    Did OJ kill his wife?
    Trump is a unconvicted felon,but his day is coming!
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    When it comes to being descendants of immigrants, the hypocrite CONservatives must hate themselves as America is a nation of immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    Who the fuck are you?
    Does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    Did OJ kill his wife?
    Trump is a unconvicted felon,but his day is coming!
    You just said that he was convicted... Now you're saying that he hasn't been convicted... Can't make up your mind, can you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    Your President is a criminal!
    So i keep hearing. Of course the proof of our past president actually being a crook is starting to pour in.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Paying hush money was done for the purpose of influencing an election, thus it becomes a political expense. I think you are smarter than your comment suggested, so trying to divert the convo by playing dumb is obtuse. Certainly, if you don't like where the convo is headed, it becomes appealing to try to steer it toward a dead end. I just grabbed the wheel before you could drive us into the ditch. You're welcome.
    Please tell me you limbered up beforethat stretch !
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    Good afternoon gfm7175,

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    They [conservatives] don't. [hate immigrants]
    Sure seems like they do. Trump gets lots of traction making false derogatory claims about migrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Illegal immigrants are having a negative effect upon it. [the economy]
    Then why is the economy doing so well despite them?

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Because they are siphoning off our own resources from us even though they aren't citizens.
    Some do that but most work very hard, often paying taxes which are never refunded. The US treasury realizes a net gain from undocumented immigrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Trump has done a damn good job with it, [the economy] even with all the resistance he has faced from both parties.
    Balderdash. He inherited an expanding economy, took credit for it, then signed off on a disastrous tax cut for the rich which has the deficit spiraling out of control. The economy is propped up on debt, and destined to crash.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Trump has done a damn good job in providing a business friendly environment.
    Profit-friendly for management, to be precise. That does not translate into enough good solid well-paying jobs with benefits to rebuild the middle class, which is being decimated. As some transcend into wealth, many are lowered. Wealth inequality is growing more extreme, a recipe for looming economic disaster. Not a long-term solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Correct. [Anyone can be rich if they work hard enough] You are even free to start your own business too! But, we must also bear in mind that we are all individuals with individual talents... Some people are simply more talented than others, and were meant for greater things than others, and they will naturally make more money. That's just the way it is.
    Way to refute your own argument. So everyone cannot be CEO. There do need to be people to work jobs all along the economic strata. I would also submit this: A great nation would ensure that even those who work at the very bottom of the economic strata do not live in poverty.

    Also, universal health care would lead to FAR more entrepreneurship. MANY decide not to try to start a business because of the cost of health care and the way it is tied to employment.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Some of them are... [heroes] Others inherited their wealth. [Billionaires like Trump] Additional others got rich by screwing other people. [Such as Trump]
    It has been said, and I do believe it is absolutely true, that Trump would be richer today if he had simply taken everything he inherited and invested it in wise low risk market-indexed funds instead of trying to work. He lost so much money it is possible he is the greatest: - at losing money!

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Not necessarily. See my above bit about individual ability.
    We are actually in agreement on this, which goes against what was said at the 2016 RNC, that anyone in America can be rich if they just apply themselves and work hard enough. That was total baloney. Everyone knows the deck is stacked against outsiders breaking into the big money set. It's called the Class War.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Some are, some aren't. I'm all for immigrants who want to live under our Constitution and contribute to our great nation. I am NOT for immigrants who illegally come into our nation and wish not to follow our laws/contribute to our country/etc.
    If we make it easier to come into America legally and work hard to contribute to the nation, we can make America greater.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    What statistics? What's the methodology behind them?
    Can't recall where I saw it but it makes total sense. It is completely logical to understand that if your productive life depends on not being caught in the country by authorities who would deport you, that you make darn sure you don't get picked up for committing any crimes. You want to lay low and stay off the radar.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    That [Demagoguery] describes basically every single politician across the world... Not sure what your point is here...
    Totally wrong. President Obama was no demagogue. Neither is Bernie or Elizabeth Warren or Marianne Williamson.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    He [Trump] never told people to hate immigrants. Quote please?? You're just making stuff up at this point...
    People are supposed to love immigrants after Trump says they are bringing crime and drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Nope. I make up my own mind about stuff; I don't believe stuff because someone tells me to believe it.
    I appreciate that you do think for yourself but I don't believe you realize how much of your thinking is influenced by conservative propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Seems like he doesn't actually "hate" them [immigrants] at all then, right?? He's hiring them and marrying them, after all... Kinda destroys your own argument, doesn't it??
    Many husbands have no respect for their wives nor their employees. Especially those who are obsessed with money, profits and power. The one thing Trump can never buy is the respect of most of the nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Yup... We took it over from the Indians and built it into what it is today...
    An old Indian commented: 'We had a great life. Hunt and fish all day. Women do all the cleaning and cooking. Leave it to white man to come in with 'progress' and screw that all up.'

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    North Americans
    If you identify as North American, that includes Mexico and Canada, both of whom are disparaged by US conservatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Your point??
    In posting part of the New Colossus made famous by it's placement on the Statue of Liberty, it exemplifies the absurdity of Trump claiming that by excluding desperately needy immigrants he is going to make America great when the nation was built by those who came here with nothing but a desire to work and build something. Trump's hatred of immigrants is the height of hypocrisy. He is not making America great. What he is doing is making wealth inequality great.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    We, as a country, have the ability to control who comes into our country. We don't have to accept every single person who wants to be a citizen, or wants asylum, or wants to escape whatever situation or wants to mooch off of us or whatever... We, as a country, can only support so many people. We are already at a point where I am not going to see a single penny of Social Security and etc... An endless supply of immigrants (especially illegal ones) simply isn't the answer, and will only makes things worse...
    Actually, you should consider that by allowing more workers into the country there will be more people paying into the Social Security System, which will ensure it's viability. The problem with Social Security is the end of the baby boom. Too few workers paying into the system to support the retirees. We need more young people entering the work force. And guess what? They are waiting on our southern border to do just that. Letting them in to work solves two huge problems. Now, if you want to initially tax them heavily as a sort of 'initiation fee' for joining our 'club,' I am fine with that. Make them work for it. I have a feeling they would relish the opportunity and seize it with fervor.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Then why are we accepting them ?
    Because of this we have reintroduced diseases that were eradicated years ago.
    Obviously somebody said so.
    If we are accepting them then Trump is letting you down.

    Why are you not upset with him for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    BEAUTIFULLY said, good sir! You hit the nail on the head here.
    It was a whiff which could have powered a thousand wind turbines.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    So i keep hearing. Of course the proof of our past president actually being a crook is starting to pour in.
    Nixon?
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