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    Hello StoneByStone,

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    Speaking as an actual Ethnic Nationalist, most of us don't hate people of other races, I certainly don't. We just know that societies function a lot better with less minorities.
    No, we don't know that.

    As a matter of fact, we have built this nation with a lot of diversity.

    And it's not like it was uninhabited when the first Europeans showed up.

    WWII might have gone quite differently without the code-talkers.
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    Hello Gonzomin,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    They hate immigrants because they cannot openly hate blacks anymore.
    Trump has sent mixed messages about that.

    "Very fine people on both sides", indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
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    That's obtuse.

    But it does rather plainly indicate an effort to totally give Trump a free pass, no matter what.
    You say $ to Stormy is an unreported political campaign donation and I ask what Stormy was running for. And you find me obtuse ? I find that silly.
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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I assume it has to do with immigrants that tend to come from countries that end up being welfare dependent. I know that's what he's trying to crack down on.
    I suspect professional basket weavers with families generally get on Medicaid, SNAP, and subsidized housing so they suck off the system more than contribute. That's my guess.
    That's a wrong guess. Immigrants contribute to our economy and pay more revenue than they utilize. Lazy people don't walk thousands of miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Why Do Conservatives Hate Immigrants So Much?
    They don't.

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    They say immigrants are ruining the economy.
    Illegal immigrants are having a negative effect upon it.

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    How can that be?
    Because they are siphoning off our own resources from us even though they aren't citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The economy is fine.
    Correct. Trump has done a damn good job with it, even with all the resistance he has faced from both parties.

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    Makes no sense.
    Yes, it does.

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    They say immigrants are taking American jobs.
    They are.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello.
    Hello.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Unemployment is very very low.
    Yes, it is. Trump has done a damn good job in providing a business friendly environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Anybody who wants work can find it.
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And after all, every conservative will tell you. If you don't think you are being paid enough for what you do, you are totally free to go out and get a better job.
    Correct. You are even free to start your own business too! But, we must also bear in mind that we are all individuals with individual talents... Some people are simply more talented than others, and were meant for greater things than others, and they will naturally make more money. That's just the way it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    All of those billionaires are heroes, right? - because they are self-made-men who were born poor and lifted themselves up by the bootstraps, right? Worked their way up from nothing, right?
    Some of them are... Others inherited their wealth.

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    ????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    All you have to do is work hard enough and one day you'll be rich, too, right?
    Not necessarily. See my above bit about individual ability.

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    Immigrants are people who only want to work hard, contribute to our economy, build a good life. Just like anybody else.
    Some are, some aren't. I'm all for immigrants who want to live under our Constitution and contribute to our great nation. I am NOT for immigrants who illegally come into our nation and wish not to follow our laws/contribute to our country/etc.

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    And statistics show they commit crimes at a lessor rate than natural-born Americans.
    What statistics? What's the methodology behind them?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    BUT!

    And this is a big "but."

    Every demagogue needs to have a boogie-man.

    Somebody to hate.

    Somebody to blame. (worked for Mussolini)
    That describes basically every single politician across the world... Not sure what your point is here...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Trump told you to hate immigrants, so that's what you're doing.
    He never told people to hate immigrants. Quote please?? You're just making stuff up at this point...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    You're letting Trump tell you what to believe.
    Nope. I make up my own mind about stuff; I don't believe stuff because someone tells me to believe it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Do you realize how stupid that is.
    Yes.

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    He HIRES THEM.
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    He MARRIED ONE. (Actually TWO...) (Likes those foreign models)
    Correct.

    Seems like he doesn't actually "hate" them at all then, right?? He's hiring them and marrying them, after all... Kinda destroys your own argument, doesn't it??

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Silly conservatives.
    Silly PoliTalker...

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    The country was BUILT by immigrants.
    Yup... We took it over from the Indians and built it into what it is today...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    What kind of Americans ARE you?
    North Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    From The New Colossus, on the Statue Of Liberty:

    ""Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" "
    Your point??


    We, as a country, have the ability to control who comes into our country. We don't have to accept every single person who wants to be a citizen, or wants asylum, or wants to escape whatever situation or wants to mooch off of us or whatever... We, as a country, can only support so many people. We are already at a point where I am not going to see a single penny of Social Security and etc... An endless supply of immigrants (especially illegal ones) simply isn't the answer, and will only makes things worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But we're not talking about letting in the governments, we're talking about the people. It seems like he's saying he doesn't want to let in black and brown people, because they'll drag the country towards shitholedom.
    You know there are Latin immigrants who start businesses, hire workers, and pay taxes, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Celticguy,



    Nobody is saying we have to accept disease.

    Stop making things up.
    Then why are we accepting them ?
    Because of this we have reintroduced diseases that were eradicated years ago.
    Obviously somebody said so.
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    Hello Sirthinksalot,

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Hi Politalker. Well, that was quite an oversimplification that simultaneously failed to acknowledge a difference between legal and illegal immigrants. You also managed to miss the point. I want every American to have every opportunity to be successful.
    Everybody should be CEO, yes. Who will actually be working for them remains a mystery, but yes. Everybody should be CEO. Everybody should be fabulously rich. Then there would be nothing to argue about and all would be at peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    If individual Americans don't become successful, that is unfortunate. But they shouldn't have to compete for jobs with people who shouldn't be here in the first place.
    And after all. The Caucasians deserve to be here because they properly took the place by force, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    And again, you refuse to acknowledge that Trump was referring to SOME illegal immigrants.
    Either the world missed the part where Trump said: "SOME OF THEM are bringing crime, bringing drugs," or you are reading that into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    No law says they must embrace our culture and values. However, there are lots of places in the world with values that don't mesh with ours. I, as an individual, don't want people from such places to come here unless they want to embrace our culture and more importantly, values.
    Immigrants are required to follow American laws, just like the domestics. Morality is not required, and neither is it required of the domestics. Just ask Trump's Great America friend and advisor Roger Stone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    I hold the same contempt for American citizens who are able to work but choose not to as I do for people who want to come here illegally and live off of the taxpayers.
    It is very popular among the successful to blame the poor for their own condition. A wonderful mechanism for easing a troubled conscience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    This last comment was just sad. I'm glad you love America, but you then launched into a vicious attack on a poor, defenseless straw man to slime Trump. And the claim that "Russia helped Trump get elected" has been thoroughly debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Hi Politalker.

    The first thing I'd point out is that you fail to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. It's something liberals and people who support illegal immigration typically do. It's dishonest and it doesn't fool anyone. Virtually no conservatives have any problem whatsoever with legal immigrants.

    I agree, the economy is better than fine under president Trump's leadership. And unemployment is very low under president Trump's leadership. But your statement: "If you don't think you are being paid enough for what you do, you are totally free to go out and get a better job." Illustrates part of the problem. Illegal immigrants are often willing to work for lower wages than US citizens. They shouldn't be here in the first place, but they can drive down wages for everyone who competes for the same type of jobs. Like people with low education levels, ie the working poor. You know, the ones liberals are always claiming to care about.

    Trump never told anyone to hate immigrants legal or illegal. Your contention that he did is either a lie or an unintentional misstatement of fact. Your own statement that Trump married an immigrant should make it obvious to you that he doesn't hate them.

    What kind of American am I? I'm the kind who supports controlling our borders. I'm the kind who welcomes people who follow the process and want to assimilate and become Americans. Not people who want to come here and utilize all the benefits of being an American while not embracing our values and culture. And not people who want to come here to be parasites on the hardworking taxpayers. I'm the kind of American who loves this country, even though I acknowledge it has some pretty terrible stuff in its past. I'm also the kind of American who recognizes that a poem on a statue is a nice thing, but it is not public policy doctrine. What kind of American are you?
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    Diseases? more fear mongering against immigrants, Like Trump talking about them being rapists. Has there ever been a sick person walking a thousand miles to infect poor generous Americans? You are in more danger from your neighborhood anti Vaxers. Immigrants have always been attacked as lesser peoples and scary and dangerous. It works well on some people. This is no different than how we attacked the Irish or Italian immigration in the past.
    These people are just looking for a better life for themselves and their children. That is how we all got here. https://www.history.com/news/when-am...refugee-crisis We never get to a higher better people if we hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    They say immigrants are ruining the economy.

    How can that be?

    The economy is fine.

    Makes no sense.

    They say immigrants are taking American jobs.

    Hello.

    Unemployment is very very low.

    Anybody who wants work can find it.

    And after all, every conservative will tell you. If you don't think you are being paid enough for what you do, you are totally free to go out and get a better job.

    All of those billionaires are heroes, right? - because they are self-made-men who were born poor and lifted themselves up by the bootstraps, right? Worked their way up from nothing, right?

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    All you have to do is work hard enough and one day you'll be rich, too, right?

    Immigrants are people who only want to work hard, contribute to our economy, build a good life. Just like anybody else.

    And statistics show they commit crimes at a lessor rate than natural-born Americans.

    BUT!

    And this is a big "but."

    Every demagogue needs to have a boogie-man.

    Somebody to hate.

    Somebody to blame. (worked for Mussolini)

    Trump told you to hate immigrants, so that's what you're doing.

    You're letting Trump tell you what to believe.

    Do you realize how stupid that is.

    He HIRES THEM.

    He MARRIED ONE. (Actually TWO...) (Likes those foreign models)

    Silly conservatives.

    The country was BUILT by immigrants.

    What kind of Americans ARE you?

    From The New Colossus, on the Statue Of Liberty:

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    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" "
    White Trash is what Conservatives have become,from Trump on down.
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Americans have an issue with illegal aliens because we respect the rule of law.
    Your President is a criminal!
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    I have worked with quite a few people who came here legally. Not surprisingly, many of them expressed outrage that some people could simply sneak in when they had to pay fees and jump through hoops to stay here.
    That is entirely understandable. It indicates what we have known for a long time. Our immigration system needs to be overhauled just as much as our college education system.
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    Hello Cinnabar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Trump panders to birthers aka...white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers. His remaining smoke and mirror supporters are Russkie trolls and bots.
    Don't forget the greedy rich. They totally support Trump because they believe he will make them richer. They care far more about increasing their own wealth than they do about other people.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    You say $ to Stormy is an unreported political campaign donation and I ask what Stormy was running for. And you find me obtuse ? I find that silly.
    Paying hush money was done for the purpose of influencing an election, thus it becomes a political expense. I think you are smarter than your comment suggested, so trying to divert the convo by playing dumb is obtuse. Certainly, if you don't like where the convo is headed, it becomes appealing to try to steer it toward a dead end. I just grabbed the wheel before you could drive us into the ditch. You're welcome.
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