Why Do Conservatives Hate Immigrants So Much?

[anonymoose]

So are you admitting that there are certain races you don't want immigrating to America?

Sounds to me like you believe certain races lack skills other races have. Personally I welcome any race that has a positve contribution to our society.

[Bill]

The Future is Robotics, Automation, Artificial Intelligence ... not Basket Weaving.
The Factories have left, the Mills have left ... if they come back, they will be Automated.
Importing Third World Basket Weavers is NOT a smart policy.

NO, he promised jobs, good paying jobs digging coal & making steel just like we use to.....

[Bill]

If conservatives respect the rule of law

Most ppl respect the law, they also want it enforced, just on other ppl, not themselves..

[Bill]

I'm sure there are statistics showing percentage of immigrants from individual countries that end up on welfare.
E.g., I live in Anchorage, one of the most diverse cities in America with lots of 1st gen. immigrants.
I've seen a fair number of patients from Africa and the M.E. I don't think I've ever seen one African that wasn't on Medicaid and I can think of only one from the M.E. that had private insurance. He is an engineer and is fluent in English.
I will say this... the Africans generally are very nice, friendly folks , but it depends on what country they're from. There's definitely different cultures. The Somalis are difficult, especially the men, but not all of course.

That is your observation, mine is pretty much the opposite.. Many parts of Africa, almost zero welfare services, ME some, less than Americans, Indians & Filipino almost no welfare either..

There is a lot of Chinese.. Although I never hear anyone here talk about that, they are like 20% of those coming in & they usually stay as they hire a lawyer..

They use services, mostly WIC but work under the table to keep reported income low..

[Bill]

I know. Federal and muni. Big military prescience , lots of drunk natives with chronic health problems getting free health care and uneducated Anchorage muni employees living high on the hog.
We also have a ton of refugees from Laos, middle east, and Africa here.
I'm not sure what you're point is in bringing that up in a thread about immigration except for our refugees.

How are the ppl from Laos doing?? Are they Lao or something else?? Hmong, lo mien, Akah etc??

[anonymoose]

How are the ppl from Laos doing?? Are they Lao or something else?? Hmong, lo mien, Akah etc??

Hmong. There's a Hmong diaspora throughout SE Asia. Apparently they supported the U.S. during the Vietnam War and they're still oppressed. I think they get a free pass to the U.S. I've seen a few Laotians but lots of Hmong here. They seem to have a big Hmong population in Minnesota and around Sacramento too.

[Bill]

Hmong. There's a Hmong diaspora throughout SE Asia. Apparently they supported the U.S. during the Vietnam War and they're still oppressed. I think they get a free pass to the U.S. I've seen a few Laotians but lots of Hmong here. They seem to have a big Hmong population in Minnesota and around Sacramento too.

Yes, there are many here & they are the biggest ethnic group (there are around 100 ethnic groups recognized in Laos) inside Laos, besides the Lao themselves... Reagan made them & those fleeing Vietnam as some kind of special type so entire families/clans have come.. Our Mayor in Elk Grove is Hmong..

So they are not doing to well there??

[anonymoose]

So they are not doing to well there??

They're fine, don't cause trouble but mostly poor. Many speak no English, the kids do of course. Probably same as there.
I always have a Hmong employee so I have someone to translate.

[Jack]

NO, he promised jobs, good paying jobs digging coal & making steel just like we use to.....

I don't believe any of the words that come out of Trump's mouth.

[Celticguy]

So are you admitting that there are certain races you don't want immigrating to America?

These are cultural not racial. Any race can be unskilled and prone to disease.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Celticguy,

What office was Stormy running for ?

That's obtuse.

But it does rather plainly indicate an effort to totally give Trump a free pass, no matter what.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cypress,

Nope.

Your president made it crystal clear that he does not want legal immigrants from "shithole" countries in Africa and Haiti, and he wants our immigration system designed to provide preference to the Aryan master race, like Norwegians.

Trump also reduced the number allowed legal immigrants.

And Norway is so socialist it would make American right heads spin.

[PoliTalker]

Hello anonymoose

And that's the main point.
My wife is a legal immigrant from Germany. We had to jump thru a lot of hoops to do everything by the book, even hired a lawyer. And we were getting married.
Sorry, but these so called asylum seekers trying to overload the border to get out of a bad marriage doesn't cut it. I sympathize with their plight but we can't let every basket weaver with a bad situation in life they're running from into the country.

No, we can't do that, but if we actually cause(d) their plight with our bad policy then we bear some responsibility.

When it is entirely possible that we have the power to change what drives them here, that we have the power to improve our hemisphere and surroundings, to Make America Greatly Respected, and we don't?

Well, that's just dumb.

We deserve what we get.

Millions of migrants, risking ALL, risking DEATH, throwing themselves on against our door.

The huddled masses, the wretched refuse, the homeless, the tempest-tost.

Well, actually, few of them are tempest-tost, but if we build greater walls that will surely be forthcoming.

They are coming here because they feel they have no choice.

Many of them tell the same story.

They believe if they stay they risk almost certain death.

How can we claim to have a heart if we turn a blind eye to their plight?

A plight we could possibly affect.

To do so is to demean ourselves as we brandish a callous indifference to their suffering.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Celticguy,

We want those who can bring something to the table other than disease and lack of skills.

Nobody is saying we have to accept disease.

Stop making things up.

[Cinnabar]

They say immigrants are ruining the economy.

How can that be?

The economy is fine.

Makes no sense.

They say immigrants are taking American jobs.

Hello.

Unemployment is very very low.

Anybody who wants work can find it.

And after all, every conservative will tell you. If you don't think you are being paid enough for what you do, you are totally free to go out and get a better job.

All of those billionaires are heroes, right? - because they are self-made-men who were born poor and lifted themselves up by the bootstraps, right? Worked their way up from nothing, right?

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All you have to do is work hard enough and one day you'll be rich, too, right?

Immigrants are people who only want to work hard, contribute to our economy, build a good life. Just like anybody else.

And statistics show they commit crimes at a lessor rate than natural-born Americans.

BUT!

And this is a big "but."

Every demagogue needs to have a boogie-man.

Somebody to hate.

Somebody to blame. (worked for Mussolini)

Trump told you to hate immigrants, so that's what you're doing.

You're letting Trump tell you what to believe.

Do you realize how stupid that is.

He HIRES THEM.

He MARRIED ONE. (Actually TWO...) (Likes those foreign models)

Silly conservatives.

The country was BUILT by immigrants.

What kind of Americans ARE you?

From The New Colossus, on the Statue Of Liberty:

""Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" "

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