Bill (06-25-2019), PoliTalker (06-26-2019)
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Any university math department can draw fair districts. It is not difficult. Michigan took the California redrawing system as a pattern. The Repubs are fighting is as hard as they can. Referendums do not matter to them, nor do votes. A few years ago, Michigan passed a referendum ending the Emergency Managers. In a month, the Repubs passed it back in and added a codicil that prevented the EM from appearing on the ballot again. This is how the reds play politics. They have no intention of allowing fair districts.
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Bill (06-25-2019), PoliTalker (06-26-2019)
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
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Political party's want power. You can call it greed but that's why they exist. When Democrats are in power they don't sit around a table asking, "how can we be fair to Republicans" and vice versa. I get it, we want to aspire noble methods and actions to our political party. But that's not realty.
Bill (06-26-2019)
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100% disagree with you there. They want power. It's why Party A may say they like a particular policy when they propose it and dislike the exact same proposal when Party B proposes it.
If you want to discuss morality political parties aren't where we should be looking.
anonymoose (06-26-2019), Bill (06-26-2019)
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Any places that are pushing fair districts are Democratic. The Repubs fight every attempt at fairness.
PoliTalker (06-26-2019)
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IMHO you must judge both parties(all parties) by the same measure & if you do, IMHO anyway, cowacko is totally correct..
Unfortunately ppl view their party/politician/team's motives/actions as being altruistic & the same motives & actions as sinister or worse by their perceived adversaries...
I posted a thread about this exact thing, although no one is interested in listening to it~oh well!!
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
Hi Bill,
No disagreement. I don't see our views as mutually exclusive.
If we the people want a particular action from our government it generally requires the power of a political party. We can't have the desirable without the undesirable. It's like asking for good without any bad. It's just not realistic. Anybody who thinks their party is goldilocks and the other party is evil is fooling themselves. Self-fooling is not a sound basis for effective governance.
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Bill (06-27-2019)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Bill (06-27-2019)
I've stated before I'm a lifelong registered Republican. I can be just as partisan as the next guy so I can't put myself out there as some one who is "above it all". But with the benefit of experience and having seen multiple Republicans and Democrats in office I can say at the core partisanship is a mindfvck.
I'll admit I watched pro wrestling as a kid. That 'sport' was the ultimate good vs evil battles. And that's how many view politics and their political party's. My 'side' is good and the 'other side' is evil. I understand it makes people feel much better when they believe that. But that's not reality as I see it.
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Bill (06-27-2019), PoliTalker (06-27-2019)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
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