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Thread: I Pledge To Vote For Whomever The Dem Nominee Is Just To Get Rid Of President Trump..

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    Any university math department can draw fair districts. It is not difficult. Michigan took the California redrawing system as a pattern. The Repubs are fighting is as hard as they can. Referendums do not matter to them, nor do votes. A few years ago, Michigan passed a referendum ending the Emergency Managers. In a month, the Repubs passed it back in and added a codicil that prevented the EM from appearing on the ballot again. This is how the reds play politics. They have no intention of allowing fair districts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Any university math department can draw fair districts. It is not difficult. Michigan took the California redrawing system as a pattern. The Repubs are fighting is as hard as they can. Referendums do not matter to them, nor do votes. A few years ago, Michigan passed a referendum ending the Emergency Managers. In a month, the Repubs passed it back in and added a codicil that prevented the EM from appearing on the ballot again. This is how the reds play politics. They have no intention of allowing fair districts.
    Well, I think that both parties want some representation @ the table, as they know full well that those SOB's in the other party are as crooked as they are & given half a chance they would cheat as much as they would, maybe even more.......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Hello Gonzomin,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Any university math department can draw fair districts. It is not difficult. Michigan took the California redrawing system as a pattern. The Repubs are fighting is as hard as they can. Referendums do not matter to them, nor do votes. A few years ago, Michigan passed a referendum ending the Emergency Managers. In a month, the Repubs passed it back in and added a codicil that prevented the EM from appearing on the ballot again. This is how the reds play politics. They have no intention of allowing fair districts.
    Greed is as greed does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Gonzomin,



    Greed is as greed does.
    Political party's want power. You can call it greed but that's why they exist. When Democrats are in power they don't sit around a table asking, "how can we be fair to Republicans" and vice versa. I get it, we want to aspire noble methods and actions to our political party. But that's not realty.

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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Political party's want power. You can call it greed but that's why they exist. When Democrats are in power they don't sit around a table asking, "how can we be fair to Republicans" and vice versa. I get it, we want to aspire noble methods and actions to our political party. But that's not realty.
    Political parties want policy. The only way to enact policy is to gain political power.

    People who do underhanded things often justify their actions by assuming that 'if they don't do it, somebody else will.'

    And that is an example of moral bankruptcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    Political parties want policy. The only way to enact policy is to gain political power.

    People who do underhanded things often justify their actions by assuming that 'if they don't do it, somebody else will.'

    And that is an example of moral bankruptcy.
    100% disagree with you there. They want power. It's why Party A may say they like a particular policy when they propose it and dislike the exact same proposal when Party B proposes it.

    If you want to discuss morality political parties aren't where we should be looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    100% disagree with you there. They want power. It's why Party A may say they like a particular policy when they propose it and dislike the exact same proposal when Party B proposes it.

    If you want to discuss morality political parties aren't where we should be looking.

    That depends on if you judge a party by it's most moral or least.

    IOW, is the glass half full or half empty.
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    Any places that are pushing fair districts are Democratic. The Repubs fight every attempt at fairness.

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    Hello Gonzomin,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzomin View Post
    Any places that are pushing fair districts are Democratic. The Repubs fight every attempt at fairness.
    Ain't it the truth.

    Republicans know they lose in a fair election so they have to rig it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That depends on if you judge a party by it's most moral or least.

    IOW, is the glass half full or half empty.
    IMHO you must judge both parties(all parties) by the same measure & if you do, IMHO anyway, cowacko is totally correct..

    Unfortunately ppl view their party/politician/team's motives/actions as being altruistic & the same motives & actions as sinister or worse by their perceived adversaries...

    I posted a thread about this exact thing, although no one is interested in listening to it~oh well!!
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Gonzomin,



    Ain't it the truth.

    Republicans know they lose in a fair election so they have to rig it.
    Not to in any excuse the gop from doing this, but do you believe the Dem party has ever "partaken" in this "forbidden fruit"????
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Hi Bill,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    IMHO you must judge both parties(all parties) by the same measure & if you do, IMHO anyway, cowacko is totally correct..

    Unfortunately ppl view their party/politician/team's motives/actions as being altruistic & the same motives & actions as sinister or worse by their perceived adversaries...

    I posted a thread about this exact thing, although no one is interested in listening to it~oh well!!
    No disagreement. I don't see our views as mutually exclusive.

    If we the people want a particular action from our government it generally requires the power of a political party. We can't have the desirable without the undesirable. It's like asking for good without any bad. It's just not realistic. Anybody who thinks their party is goldilocks and the other party is evil is fooling themselves. Self-fooling is not a sound basis for effective governance.
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    Hi Bill,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Not to in any excuse the gop from doing this, but do you believe the Dem party has ever "partaken" in this "forbidden fruit"????
    Of course they have. But not to the same degree. I voted for Ross Perot. For the record, I am registered independent. I generally vote with the Dems but not always, and they do not have my loyalty. I was a Bernie supporter in 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    IMHO you must judge both parties(all parties) by the same measure & if you do, IMHO anyway, cowacko is totally correct..

    Unfortunately ppl view their party/politician/team's motives/actions as being altruistic & the same motives & actions as sinister or worse by their perceived adversaries...

    I posted a thread about this exact thing, although no one is interested in listening to it~oh well!!
    I've stated before I'm a lifelong registered Republican. I can be just as partisan as the next guy so I can't put myself out there as some one who is "above it all". But with the benefit of experience and having seen multiple Republicans and Democrats in office I can say at the core partisanship is a mindfvck.

    I'll admit I watched pro wrestling as a kid. That 'sport' was the ultimate good vs evil battles. And that's how many view politics and their political party's. My 'side' is good and the 'other side' is evil. I understand it makes people feel much better when they believe that. But that's not reality as I see it.
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    Hi cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I've stated before I'm a lifelong registered Republican. I can be just as partisan as the next guy so I can't put myself out there as some one who is "above it all". But with the benefit of experience and having seen multiple Republicans and Democrats in office I can say at the core partisanship is a mindfvck.

    I'll admit I watched pro wrestling as a kid. That 'sport' was the ultimate good vs evil battles. And that's how many view politics and their political party's. My 'side' is good and the 'other side' is evil. I understand it makes you feel much better when you believe that. But that's not reality as I see it.
    Well said.
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