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    Default 2020 Battle Begins: Trump holds the high ground

    The 2020 campaign begins in earnest next week in Florida, when Donald Trump officially launches his reelection bid. On June 26, 20 Democratic candidates and five moderators hold the first of two nights of debates. Where do things stand?

    According to the polls, President Trump starts at a disadvantage. He has 44 percent approval in the Real Clear Politics average, with a net disapproval of 9 points. The most recent Quinnipiac poll has the major Democrats defeating Trump. The margins range from Joe Biden's 13-point victory to Pete Buttigieg and Cory Booker's 5-points. Another recent Quinnipiac poll has Biden leading Trump by four points in Texas. Private surveys of the Lone Star State also show a tight race. Trump polls very badly among suburban women, and the growth in suburban Texas has been extraordinary. Which spells trouble.

    If the election were held today, a generic Democrat would defeat Donald Trump. What makes the predictions game difficult is that Election Day isn't for 16 months, and generic Democrats do not exist. Political conditions are bound to change, for better or worse, and voters once again will make a binary choice between the incumbent and a specific progressive alternative. That alternative might not be as flawed as Hillary Clinton. But he or she will have flaws.

    Do the Democrats have more than a fighting chance? Absolutely. They've won the popular vote in all but one presidential election since 1992. And yet they would be foolish beyond belief to assume Trump is destined for a single term. President Trump can't beat a generic Democrat. Lucky for him he won't be facing one.

    Trump holds the high ground of incumbency. Only once in the last century, in 1980, has the public ousted a party from the White House after just four years. Moreover, Trump is extremely unlikely to face a primary challenger, and at the moment the chances of an independent third-party candidacy are slim. At the outset of the contest, the economy is humming, the country is not in a major war, and there is no disruptive social unrest. This is a winning record.

    What makes the 2020 election unique is the disjunction between objective conditions and presidential polling. Econometric models predict a Trump victory. "Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody's Analytics, has looked at 12 models," wrote Democrat Steven Rattner in the New York Times recently, "and Mr. Trump wins in all of them." The most famous qualitative model, Allan J. Lichtman's "13 keys to the presidency," also points to Trump's reelection.

    The models aren't dispositive. Trump is such an unusual and unusually polarizing candidate that he underperformed the models last time around. He could do so again. Which makes his opponent decisive.

    The Democratic field is weak. The frontrunner, Joe Biden, enjoys a solid national lead, but his margin in early states, especially Iowa, is narrowing.

    And Biden has liabilities. They have been on display. His sloppy climate change plan not only reminded the public of his past plagiarism, it also included a carbon tax that will be easy for Trump to attack. His changing stance on the Hyde Amendment banning taxpayer funding of abortion, from support to opposition to support to opposition, was a disaster. It does more than suggest an opening for the "flip-flop" attack that worked against John Kerry in 2004. It also makes Biden vulnerable to the charge that he's caved to pro-abortion extremists.

    Listening to the debut episode of the "Hacks on Tap" podcast with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy the other day, I was struck by how critical Axelrod was of Biden. Both strategists were skeptical of the former vice-president's ability to run the gauntlet. But Axelrod drew special attention to Biden's age, half-century in Washington, and poor track record as a presidential contender.

    Iowa chose the winner in the last four contested Democratic nominations. Biden's history there is not reassuring. He didn't even make it to the caucuses in 1988, and came in fifth place 20 years later. "A look at polls taken at about this point in primary cycles since 1980 suggests that while Biden leads now, there's a pretty good chance he won't actually win the caucuses," writes Harry Enten of CNN.

    Losing Iowa would dissipate the aura of inevitability and electability that surrounds Biden's pate. He'd be hard pressed to win in New Hampshire, where he faces two candidates from neighboring states. It's been a quarter of a century since a candidate lost two of the first three contests but went on to claim the nomination.

    The Democrats don't have many good options beyond Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn the election into a referendum not on Trump but on socialism, breaking the Democratic Party and possibly drawing in an independent candidate. Elizabeth Warren has a story to tell, policy chops, and political seasoning, but Axelrod notes that she comes across as a professor delivering a TED Talk. Plus, the last three presidential nominees to come from Massachusetts all lost.

    The last two Democratic presidents had youth, freshness, and cultural resonance. They were in their forties when first elected. The only first-tier candidate that approaches these criteria is Buttigieg. His problem is he's just 37 years old, mayor of the fourth-largest city in Indiana, and seems to have a problem attracting the support of minority voters. He'll have a breakout moment in the debates, for sure, but I won't believe the hype until I see it reflected in the polls. As for the other 19 candidates, yawn.


    The 2020 election is shaping up to be complex and contradictory. A president who the models say should be running away with the race is under threat. A party that should be making its strongest case for a restoration is mired in impeachment talk, obsessed with slaking the appetite of left-wing interest groups, and offering a bizarrely expansive field of none-too-impressive challengers. A frontrunner whose strategy is to pretend he's already the nominee is slowly being brought down to Earth. And a country that never thought it could elect Donald Trump president might just do it again.
    https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-2020-battle-begins/

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    Damn, are you deluded. How is more then half the country not in favor of you, the high ground?

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    Over 55 percent of voters said they would not vote for Trump. And, at least 2 candidates have said they would run against him. The Republicunt party is ruthless and they will stomp on the reds who want to run.

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    Pretty good analysis. Another anomaly I'd add to the OP is that there are voters out there similar to me. I don't like Trump, I consider him a horse's ass. He tweets and says stupid shit. But I will vote for him for several reasons.

    1. We all know he lies but he also speaks the truth about topics others are unwilling to. E.g. his recent ABC interview with Steph and exploitation of hrc's baggage last campaign.
    2. The Mueller witch hunt.
    3. The Kav hearings.
    4. Dim extremism.
    a. Open borders
    b. Anti first amendment
    c. Green New Deal
    d. Local level accommodation of lawlessness
    e. Endless investigations as an agenda and policy

    I could continue but no time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Pretty good analysis. Another anomaly I'd add to the OP is that there are voters out there similar to me. I don't like Trump, I consider him a horse's ass. He tweets and says stupid shit. But I will vote for him for several reasons.

    1. We all know he lies but he also speaks the truth about topics others are unwilling to. E.g. his recent ABC interview with Steph and exploitation of hrc's baggage last campaign.
    2. The Mueller with hunt.
    3. The Kav hearings.
    4. Dim extremism.
    a. Open borders
    b. Anti first amendment
    c. Green New Deal
    d. Local level accommodation of lawlessness
    e. Endless investigations as an agenda and policy

    I could continue but no time.
    That's rather comical, "I don't like Trump," but half the reasons you tell us you will vote for him are defenses of Trump, and the few actual Democrat ideas you cite are the demogogues portrayal of those policies, forget it, if Abraham Lincoln was resurrected and ran against Trump as a Democrat you'd vote for Trump

    And by the way, those "endless investigations" were initiated by Trump's own Justice Dept and conducted by GOP House and Senate Committees, the Democrats have only been at it for five months, I'd bet the last decade of endless redundant GOP "investigations" never bother you or influenced your vote

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    WTF is 4? and 4.d?

    He's a racist scumbag who sucks dump and republican dick.

    He doesn't fool anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Pretty good analysis. Another anomaly I'd add to the OP is that there are voters out there similar to me. I don't like Trump, I consider him a horse's ass. He tweets and says stupid shit. But I will vote for him for several reasons.

    1. We all know he lies but he also speaks the truth about topics others are unwilling to. E.g. his recent ABC interview with Steph and exploitation of hrc's baggage last campaign.
    2. The Mueller with hunt.
    3. The Kav hearings.
    4. Dim extremism.
    a. Open borders
    b. Anti first amendment
    c. Green New Deal
    d. Local level accommodation of lawlessness
    e. Endless investigations as an agenda and policy

    I could continue but no time.
    So the oath of office means nothing to you as long as you can feel like you won an election.

    Do you or did you allow your children to lie to you?

    What about cheating- would you care if your wife cheated on you?

    What if you caught her in bed with a porn star?

    But everything is a double standard for Donald Trump huh? Donald Trump can do anything he wants right or wrong- and it's OK with you!

    I think you have sold your soul to Donald Trump- and along with that, any morals about yourself that you may have previously had- or maybe you just never had any morals to begin with!

    Well be proud- you are now a member of the new immoral Republican Party! Wear it well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post

    Well be proud- you are now a member of the new immoral Republican Party! Wear it well!
    I've said this several times - Your side forced me to make a choice so I chose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    That's rather comical, "I don't like Trump," but half the reasons you tell us you will vote for him are defenses of Trump
    There's a big difference between not liking him and defending him. E.g., I'd rather play an 18 hole nassau with Obama than Trump although I agree with very little of Obama's policies.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    And by the way, those "endless i,nvestigations" were initiated by Trump's own Justice Dept and conducted by GOP House and Senate Committees, the Democrats have only been at it for five months
    lol, that would take up weeks of discussion and has been already discussed here for months, yrs. now.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I'd bet the last decade of endless redundant GOP "investigations" never bother you or influenced your vote
    Child's play compared to what's going on now. The goal from before inauguration was to annul the '16 election. A coup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard the Duck View Post
    The winner will likely take less than 50% of the vote.
    The winner will have at least 270 votes, but less than 538.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    So the oath of office means nothing to you as long as you can feel like you won an election.

    Do you or did you allow your children to lie to you?

    What about cheating- would you care if your wife cheated on you?

    What if you caught her in bed with a porn star?

    But everything is a double standard for Donald Trump huh? Donald Trump can do anything he wants right or wrong- and it's OK with you!

    I think you have sold your soul to Donald Trump- and along with that, any morals about yourself that you may have previously had- or maybe you just never had any morals to begin with!

    Well be proud- you are now a member of the new immoral Republican Party! Wear it well!
    He's been a racist right winger since day one.

    He's a COWARD who votes and supports EVERYTHING from the racist right including what dump does.

    Make no mistake he's one of them, no matter what he labels himself as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    He's been a racist right winger since day one.

    He's a COWARD who votes and supports EVERYTHING from the racist right including what dump does.

    Make no mistake he's one of them, no matter what he labels himself as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    The 2020 campaign begins in earnest next week in Florida, when Donald Trump officially launches his reelection bid. On June 26, 20 Democratic candidates and five moderators hold the first of two nights of debates. Where do things stand?

    According to the polls, President Trump starts at a disadvantage. He has 44 percent approval in the Real Clear Politics average, with a net disapproval of 9 points. The most recent Quinnipiac poll has the major Democrats defeating Trump. The margins range from Joe Biden's 13-point victory to Pete Buttigieg and Cory Booker's 5-points. Another recent Quinnipiac poll has Biden leading Trump by four points in Texas. Private surveys of the Lone Star State also show a tight race. Trump polls very badly among suburban women, and the growth in suburban Texas has been extraordinary. Which spells trouble.

    If the election were held today, a generic Democrat would defeat Donald Trump. What makes the predictions game difficult is that Election Day isn't for 16 months, and generic Democrats do not exist. Political conditions are bound to change, for better or worse, and voters once again will make a binary choice between the incumbent and a specific progressive alternative. That alternative might not be as flawed as Hillary Clinton. But he or she will have flaws.

    Do the Democrats have more than a fighting chance? Absolutely. They've won the popular vote in all but one presidential election since 1992. And yet they would be foolish beyond belief to assume Trump is destined for a single term. President Trump can't beat a generic Democrat. Lucky for him he won't be facing one.

    Trump holds the high ground of incumbency. Only once in the last century, in 1980, has the public ousted a party from the White House after just four years. Moreover, Trump is extremely unlikely to face a primary challenger, and at the moment the chances of an independent third-party candidacy are slim. At the outset of the contest, the economy is humming, the country is not in a major war, and there is no disruptive social unrest. This is a winning record.

    What makes the 2020 election unique is the disjunction between objective conditions and presidential polling. Econometric models predict a Trump victory. "Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody's Analytics, has looked at 12 models," wrote Democrat Steven Rattner in the New York Times recently, "and Mr. Trump wins in all of them." The most famous qualitative model, Allan J. Lichtman's "13 keys to the presidency," also points to Trump's reelection.

    The models aren't dispositive. Trump is such an unusual and unusually polarizing candidate that he underperformed the models last time around. He could do so again. Which makes his opponent decisive.

    The Democratic field is weak. The frontrunner, Joe Biden, enjoys a solid national lead, but his margin in early states, especially Iowa, is narrowing.

    And Biden has liabilities. They have been on display. His sloppy climate change plan not only reminded the public of his past plagiarism, it also included a carbon tax that will be easy for Trump to attack. His changing stance on the Hyde Amendment banning taxpayer funding of abortion, from support to opposition to support to opposition, was a disaster. It does more than suggest an opening for the "flip-flop" attack that worked against John Kerry in 2004. It also makes Biden vulnerable to the charge that he's caved to pro-abortion extremists.

    Listening to the debut episode of the "Hacks on Tap" podcast with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy the other day, I was struck by how critical Axelrod was of Biden. Both strategists were skeptical of the former vice-president's ability to run the gauntlet. But Axelrod drew special attention to Biden's age, half-century in Washington, and poor track record as a presidential contender.

    Iowa chose the winner in the last four contested Democratic nominations. Biden's history there is not reassuring. He didn't even make it to the caucuses in 1988, and came in fifth place 20 years later. "A look at polls taken at about this point in primary cycles since 1980 suggests that while Biden leads now, there's a pretty good chance he won't actually win the caucuses," writes Harry Enten of CNN.

    Losing Iowa would dissipate the aura of inevitability and electability that surrounds Biden's pate. He'd be hard pressed to win in New Hampshire, where he faces two candidates from neighboring states. It's been a quarter of a century since a candidate lost two of the first three contests but went on to claim the nomination.

    The Democrats don't have many good options beyond Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn the election into a referendum not on Trump but on socialism, breaking the Democratic Party and possibly drawing in an independent candidate. Elizabeth Warren has a story to tell, policy chops, and political seasoning, but Axelrod notes that she comes across as a professor delivering a TED Talk. Plus, the last three presidential nominees to come from Massachusetts all lost.

    The last two Democratic presidents had youth, freshness, and cultural resonance. They were in their forties when first elected. The only first-tier candidate that approaches these criteria is Buttigieg. His problem is he's just 37 years old, mayor of the fourth-largest city in Indiana, and seems to have a problem attracting the support of minority voters. He'll have a breakout moment in the debates, for sure, but I won't believe the hype until I see it reflected in the polls. As for the other 19 candidates, yawn.


    The 2020 election is shaping up to be complex and contradictory. A president who the models say should be running away with the race is under threat. A party that should be making its strongest case for a restoration is mired in impeachment talk, obsessed with slaking the appetite of left-wing interest groups, and offering a bizarrely expansive field of none-too-impressive challengers. A frontrunner whose strategy is to pretend he's already the nominee is slowly being brought down to Earth. And a country that never thought it could elect Donald Trump president might just do it again.
    https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-2020-battle-begins/
    Here is the pertinent part of this column: If the election were held today, a generic Democrat would defeat Donald Trump. What makes the predictions game difficult is that Election Day isn't for 16 months, and generic Democrats do not exist.

    It is amusing to see such polls this early in the game. It makes me wonder if they have learned anything from 2016.
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