Biden leads trump 13 Points Nationally

[LV426]

Biden isn't going to end up as the nominee.

His support is already starting to deteriorate as Warren's galvanizes.

The only two candidates who I think are serious are Sanders and Warren.

Warren would be the best President, but I think Sanders has a better shot at destroying Trump at the polls.

[Gonzomin]

inform yourself..

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-and-whos-out/
It's almost debate time! On June 26 and 27, 20 candidates will gather in Miami to take part in the first Democratic presidential primary debates

20 participants will make the debates useless. They have less than 5 minutes each. They will respond to 2questions each. All they can do is show a presidential attitude and not fuck up.

[Bill]

Biden isn't going to end up as the nominee.

His support is already starting to deteriorate as Warren's galvanizes.

The only two candidates who I think are serious are Sanders and Warren.

Warren would be the best President, but I think Sanders has a better shot at destroying Trump at the polls.

Bernie vs trump??? lol Brooklyn Vs queens, you know queens is gonna always lose to Brooklyn...........

Many are already predicting Joe's demise & they/you could all be right.. I do like some of the things he has been saying about bi-partisanship but watching him I don't see a lot of passion or charisma, but maybe that is just his style??

I don't know if either of them can beat trump, they are both seen as "severe" leftists, which I don't agree w/, more like FDR & 60's moderate republican, but they need to sell that..

IMHO both can present a very good argument, & based on facts, not emotions etc, but they need to attract/appeal to ppl, get them to listen to their POV, especially ppl that may not necessarily be drawn to them........

[LV426]

Bernie vs trump??? lol Brooklyn Vs queens, you know queens is gonna always lose to Brooklyn...........

Many are already predicting Joe's demise & they/you could all be right.. I do like some of the things he has been saying about bi-partisanship but watching him I don't see a lot of passion or charisma, but maybe that is just his style??

I don't know if either of them can beat trump, they are both seen as "severe" leftists, which I don't agree w/, more like FDR & 60's moderate republican, but they need to sell that..

IMHO both can present a very good argument, & based on facts, not emotions etc, but they need to attract/appeal to ppl, get them to listen to their POV, especially ppl that may not necessarily be drawn to them........

I feel like Biden is phoning it in, and has that same sense of entitlement that Clinton had in 2016.

Honestly, I think Trump's re-election prospects are very grim.

I don't believe he will even reach the 62 million votes he got last time.

But turnout is what is going to be important because Trump is going to try and steal the election with Russia's help.

So we need turnout north of 60%, and I think Bernie can get it through sheer force of personality, and I think Warren can get it through sheer force of her proposals and plans.

I don't think Trump will even get 60,000,000 votes this time around.

[LV426]

Bernie vs trump??? lol Brooklyn Vs queens, you know queens is gonna always lose to Brooklyn...........

Many are already predicting Joe's demise & they/you could all be right.. I do like some of the things he has been saying about bi-partisanship but watching him I don't see a lot of passion or charisma, but maybe that is just his style??

I don't know if either of them can beat trump, they are both seen as "severe" leftists, which I don't agree w/, more like FDR & 60's moderate republican, but they need to sell that..

IMHO both can present a very good argument, & based on facts, not emotions etc, but they need to attract/appeal to ppl, get them to listen to their POV, especially ppl that may not necessarily be drawn to them........

Also, we don't need bipartisanship.

You can't compromise with people of bad faith. And Conservatism is nothing but bad faith.

Just look at how Conservatives conduct themselves in bad faith on these boards, and you see that it's the same conduct of the GOP in elected office.

They're the same people.

The trolls on this message board believe, think, and act the same way the trolls in elected office act. There is no distinction between the two.

The GOP is America's Fascist, Troll Party.

[Bill]

I feel like Biden is phoning it in, and has that same sense of entitlement that Clinton had in 2016.

Honestly, I think Trump's re-election prospects are very grim.

I don't believe he will even reach the 62 million votes he got last time.

But turnout is what is going to be important because Trump is going to try and steal the election with Russia's help.

So we need turnout north of 60%, and I think Bernie can get it through sheer force of personality, and I think Warren can get it through sheer force of her proposals and plans.

I don't think Trump will even get 60,000,000 votes this time around.

I agree phoning a lot of it in, I dunno about the entitlement though, but honestly I don't think I know him that much. I get the vibe, again, could be totally off, that he is flattered that they are finally wanting him to run, but he has lots off miles on him already & running & possibly winning is a greatly Yuge task for a dude as old as him & "do I really wanna do this..???

I hope you right about the 60%, I have no idea.. Every day, all day I see trump, this, that, the other, mostly negative & all the others combined don't hold a candle to his domination of each & every news cycle..........

[Truth Detector]

whoops... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ly/1425173001/

[Bill]

Also, we don't need bipartisanship.

You can't compromise with people of bad faith. And Conservatism is nothing but bad faith.

Just look at how Conservatives conduct themselves in bad faith on these boards, and you see that it's the same conduct of the GOP in elected office.

They're the same people.

The trolls on this message board believe, think, and act the same way the trolls in elected office act. There is no distinction between the two.

The GOP is America's Fascist, Troll Party.

Maybe your party won't need it to win, but it will to govern, & that is what I am most concerned about....

IMHO the country was much better off before we had this us against them in our only two political parties of consequence..

If Biden drops out, that will likely drop from the conversation, which now aint much anyway..

[PostmodernProphet]

It's not the same system, and it's only been introduced very lately. .

really?......wiki dates it to the early 1700s......

[Gonzomin]

Polls are meaningless this far from the election. But a big difference like 14 pts is interesting. Trump has had all the press and his mug is on TV over and over. It seems he is not building his base but losing it.

[Bill]

Polls are meaningless this far from the election. But a big difference like 14 pts is interesting. Trump has had all the press and his mug is on TV over and over. It seems he is not building his base but losing it.

What do you think is strategy is??

[Iolo/Penderyn]

You have not acknowledged that a victory margin for a presidential election cannot have more than 3 digits. It appears that you are having trouble accepting the fact that Trump really did kick Hillary's as 306 to 232, and that you are coping with your Trump derangement syndrome by clinging to a more comforting vote tally that doesn't even determine who wins the Oval Office.

Do stop trying to talk with your arse, and find out what public opinion polls do, there's a good mug.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

really?......wiki dates it to the early 1700s......

Prime Ministers are chosen by the Sovereign to run the Government, and we saw to it that the person chosen had to have the backing of a Parliamentary majority. Of late the Party Leader (and therefore prospective or actual Prime Minister) is voted on by all party members, and in the case of the Tories these members are few and ageing. What you are trying to say, I think, is that we don't have direct democracy. No, we don't, and the few attempts to use it have been utter disasters. The notion is that we elect people who know something about matters to make decisions, and if we don't like those decisions, we vote 'em out. Parliament doesn't always represent the overall vote, certainly - the Labour Party in 1951 got the biggest vote ever recorded for a political party till then - and lost. That is a very different thing, however, from setting up a special committee deliberately to [B]negate[B] the people's choice. We leave that to truly advanced capitalism!

[PostmodernProphet]

Prime Ministers are chosen by the Sovereign to run the Government, and we saw to it that the person chosen had to have the backing of a Parliamentary majority. Of late the Party Leader (and therefore prospective or actual Prime Minister) is voted on by all party members, and in the case of the Tories these members are few and ageing. What you are trying to say, I think, is that we don't have direct democracy. No, we don't, and the few attempts to use it have been utter disasters. The notion is that we elect people who know something about matters to make decisions, and if we don't like those decisions, we vote 'em out. Parliament doesn't always represent the overall vote, certainly - the Labour Party in 1951 got the biggest vote ever recorded for a political party till then - and lost. That is a very different thing, however, from setting up a special committee deliberately to [B]negate[B] the people's choice. We leave that to truly advanced capitalism!

that doesn't take into account the fact that you are even farther removed from having direct elections than we are........

[Iolo/Penderyn]

that doesn't take into account the fact that you are even farther removed from having direct elections than we are........

I don't think so. Sometimes, under both systems, because some 'constituencies' can throw up huge majorities which are negated by say, two or three with much narrower ones, but we try very hard to redraw those boundaries to make the results more representative, which you can't do with states. It made sense when those states were pretty well separate countries, like the EU countries today, but now it seems to merely to negate the popular will.