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    Question Question for pro-choicers

    This is a hypothetical, obviously, because its not realistic.

    Lets assume that upon conception, there is no developmental stage of the fetus. It's just "poof" and then there is a fully formed baby in the womb right off the bat. However, the baby would still need to be in the womb for 9 months before birth.

    Should abortion still be allowed in these cases?

    If so, why. If not, why not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    This is a hypothetical, obviously, because its not realistic.

    Lets assume that upon conception, there is no developmental stage of the fetus. It's just "poof" and then there is a fully formed baby in the womb right off the bat. However, the baby would still need to be in the womb for 9 months before birth.

    Should abortion still be allowed in these cases?

    If so, why. If not, why not?
    No, because then it would be murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    This is a hypothetical, obviously, because its not realistic.

    Lets assume that upon conception, there is no developmental stage of the fetus. It's just "poof" and then there is a fully formed baby in the womb right off the bat. However, the baby would still need to be in the womb for 9 months before birth.

    Should abortion still be allowed in these cases?

    If so, why. If not, why not?
    Yes, because it might grow up to vote DEMOCRAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Yes, because it might grow up to vote DEMOCRAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    No, because then it would be murder.
    What about the “it’s the mothers body” argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    What about the “it’s the mothers body” argument?
    Doesn't really hold up if there is another body inside her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Doesn't really hold up if there is another body inside her.
    would you generally consider yourself pro life or pro choice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    would you generally consider yourself pro life or pro choice?
    Pro-choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Pro-choice.
    So you believe in this specific circumstance the viability of the fetus/baby trumps the womans right to not be pregnant for 9 months?


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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    This is a hypothetical, obviously, because its not realistic.

    Lets assume that upon conception, there is no developmental stage of the fetus. It's just "poof" and then there is a fully formed baby in the womb right off the bat. However, the baby would still need to be in the womb for 9 months before birth.

    Should abortion still be allowed in these cases?

    If so, why. If not, why not?
    Would this "fully formed baby" be capable of life outside the womb if for instance the mother fell down the steps and suffered a miscarriage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Would this "fully formed baby" be capable of life outside the womb if for instance the mother fell down the steps and suffered a miscarriage?
    Yes. Lets consider it like what a baby would be at almost 9 months


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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    So you believe in this specific circumstance the viability of the fetus/baby trumps the womans right to not be pregnant for 9 months?
    Yes, but I also get that it's complicated. You can make the argument that when a man and a woman are having sex, they are entering into a contract, and part of the deal is that the woman could get pregnant. So if you don't want to carry a baby for 9 months, just don't have vaginal sex. But then there's the issue of rape. It's not a black and white topic, which is why I wish people would be more understanding of people who disagree on abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Yes, but I also get that it's complicated. You can make the argument that when a man and a woman are having sex, they are entering into a contract, and part of the deal is that the woman could get pregnant. So if you don't want to carry a baby for 9 months, just don't have vaginal sex. But then there's the issue of rape. It's not a black and white topic, which is why I wish people would be more understanding of people who disagree on abortion.
    I don't understand the rape argument. Would we abort a living 1 year old child that was the product of rape? People would say no, it's a kid and not its fault that one of its parents were raped. So why wouldn't that same logic apply to a 9 month old viable baby in the womb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    What about the “it’s the mothers body” argument?
    Oh, come on! You really didn't expect a liberal to be consistent, did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g r i n d View Post
    Yes. Lets consider it like what a baby would be at almost 9 months
    Then the scenario is that to abort it would involve murder since it can function w/o the support of the mom's body and is fully capable of life on its own.

    The recent spate of "heartbeat bills" fail on the science. Yes, there is detectable, audible activity at six weeks' gestation. However, what is heard is not a heart that is doing anything other than nervous tissue reacting to neurotransmitters. There are no heart chambers, no valves, no circulatory system, no blood being moved. If you've ever taken a biology class you'll know what this is from the frog dissection. The entire fetus at this point is ~4-5mm in length. So it's about this size: ~~~. The "heartbeat bills" are purely designed to evoke emotions and to punish women who likely at that stage don't even know that they're pregnant, especially women whose cycles are irregular.

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